EICR required for Part P installations?

[JonnyRegga]

Hi Everyone,
I have been told that when I join a Part P scheme I have to complete an EICR form for every installation or addition to a circuit before I can do any work on the circuit. So even putting a new socket on a bedroom circuit I have to complete an EICR form. To do that I have to have indemnity insurance as well as public liability insurance. If I don't have the indemnity insurance then I have to pay someone who is authorised to write out a EICR before I can do any work under part P schme.

I didn't know I had to do an EICR form before I can even add a socket to an exsisting circuit, or not having indemnity insurance I have to pay someone to write the EICR form.

This doesnt sound right to me?

 

[Jay Sparks]

Take with one massive pinch of salt the advise you think you are getting from the scam provider
Either they have moved to Mars and don't now live in the real world or the advise they have given is being interpreted wrong by yourself

Either way do what the regs suggest regards assessing additional loading,the earthing and bonding etc and most importantly make sure the price you charge is making the job worthwhile and the job you do is of a good standard

Use these schemes for the one and only beneficial service they provide "notification process" and get the requirements for installation work from the good book,try and ignore some of the stupid suggestions they are prone to make

Whilst I hole hardheartedly agree about the "notifying" thing, I have seen other members have said previously that being with a certain scam (not saying which coz I aint advertising them!), has helped them win contracts etc. Never worked like that for me but most of my clientele were more interested in the price.lol

Jay

 

[Des 56]

It must be crossed wires somewhere?? Why would any scam say something like that? They may have mentioned the need for the insurance if carrying out EICR's and that's whats confused the OP??

Jay

I think your right,he seems well confused by it all

Agreed the right or wrong being Nicy approved opens doors

 

[JonnyRegga]

It must be crossed wires somewhere?? Why would any scam say something like that? They may have mentioned the need for the insurance if carrying out EICR's and that's whats confused the OP??

Jay

It didnt confuse me because i spoke to them for ages about this because it made no sense but they still said unless i get the indemnity insurance i cant do any work unless I get someone to do an EICR first. I will email them as someone said on here and see if they say the same in the email reply. So even adding to a circuit has to have a EICR.

 

[Jay Sparks]

It didnt confuse me because i spoke to them for ages about this because it made no sense but they still said unless i get the indemnity insurance i cant do any work unless I pay someone to do an EICR first. I will email them as someone said on here and see if they say the same in the email reply.

Unlikely they will say the same because it will probably be a different person. Maybe the person you spoke to was new and it was them confused but certainly someone was.lol

Jay

 

[Rpa07]

Don't mention the previous call - make the email completely new enquiry. Start afresh, be happy!

 

[The Ghost]

132.16 Additions and alterations to an installation
No addition or alteration, temporary or permanent, shall be made to an existing installation, unless it has been ascertained that the rating and the condition of any existing equipment, including that of the distributor, will be adequate for the altered circumstances. Furthermore, the earthing and bonding arrangements, if necessary for the protective measure applied for the safety of the addition or alteration, shall be adequate.

GN3 does mention "it should be considered when carrying out alteration to an existing installation"
Maybe we should collectively lobby IET regards this issue??

 

[Midwest]

OP you may find that the scheme has additional requirements above and beyond what the regs require. By becoming a member of the scheme you may have unwittingly agreed to certain conditions and that's what they are now stating.
If you don't follow their "rules" you may void your membership.
I've heard a similar line from Storma.

Sorry read the first sentence, what tosh, please explain?

 

[Midwest]

Oh for Gods sake I'm full of Chateaubriand and fried Mars Bars. I 'phoned & emailed' my scheme (Elecsa) countless of times asking for advice, and have never been suggested/advised/contrived/twisted/persuaded/convinced, anything other than is in BS7671 or part P. EMAIL THEM AND GET CLAIFICATION. Flipping heck Maureen.

 

[Octopus]

There is no requirement to do an EICR before changing a circuit...

There is no requirement for Professional indemnity insurance when doing EICR's

There is no requirement for scheme membership to do EICR 's


Next....

 

[JonnyRegga]

OP you may find that the scheme has additional requirements above and beyond what the regs require. By becoming a member of the scheme you may have unwittingly agreed to certain conditions and that's what they are now stating.
If you don't follow their "rules" you may void your membership.
I've heard a similar line from Storma.

Are Stroma also saying every job needs a part p sparky to do an EICR first or pay someone to do it if you dont have indemnity insurance?

 

[Andy78]

Are Stroma also saying every job needs a part p sparky to do an EICR first or pay someone to do it if you dont have indemnity insurance?

No schemes rules are saying that. You have been misinformed.

 

[JonnyRegga]

No schemes rules are saying that. You have been misinformed.

I am very sure you are right but would like to know why he said stroma also want the same.

 

[Andy78]

I am very sure you are right but would like to know why he said stroma also want the same.

What may have been meant is that if you want Stroma to include you for EICR work on their scheme, they require a minimum amount of PI insurance from you.

For some reason you still refuse to say which person in which scheme told you all this.
Good advice has already been given to you by others in this thread, to contact the scheme and ask for clarification of this matter in writing.

 

[JonnyRegga]

What may have been meant is that if you want Stroma to include you for EICR work on their scheme, they require a minimum amount of PI insurance from you.

For some reason you still refuse to say which person in which scheme told you all this.
Good advice has already been given to you by others in this thread, to contact the scheme and ask for clarification of this matter in writing.

Andy i do agree with what everyone has said and thats why i posted the question because i didnt belive what i was told but i just wanted to know why someone said stroma wanted the same as i was told i needed. When i email i just wanted to say that no other scheme wants it and quote bs7671 and then didnt want them saying stroma want it as well.

I aint stressing just wanted to get all my facts right but maybe i am going over the top a bit over the top. Thanks to everyone who has given me good advice on here i am really grateful and sorry for dragging it on. I will let everyone know what they say when I send my email.

 

[Midwest]

You'll wake up Monday morning, and it will have been all just a horrible nightmare