Eicr - who can do remedial work

[Simon-0116]

Firm we work for uses a national testing / safety firm for all health and safety etc.
They have carried out a eicr and there is a few c2, and 1 x db change / further investigation noted.
They say only they can carry out the work at extortionate prices.

How do we stand.
Do we do work and issue a eic for the work done. And add this to paper work they gave, but cert is unsatisfactory.
With a covering letter stating work done.
Before anyone says I've not got 2391 testing cert, but can carry out installation work.
Thanks.

 

[davesparks]

Anyone can carry out the remedial work.

I always advise that different contractors should carry out the EICR and the remedial work to avoid false reporting and cowboy tactics such as you have experienced here.

 

[JBW175]

You don’t need to use them to carry out the remedial works, you can employ any spark you see fit to do that.

If you’re competent to do the installation work and issue a cert yourself then there’s no problem doing that either.
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You don’t need to use them to carry out the remedial works, you can employ any spark you see fit to do that.

If you’re competent to do the installation work and issue a cert yourself then there’s no problem doing that either.

Forgot to say, you may have an unsatisfactory certificate, but it will have a date on it recommending when the next test should be carried out “as long as all remedial works have been rectified”

So as long as you can prove they’ve been carried out, you’ll be good to go until the next test date.

 

[Simon-0116]

Anyone can carry out the remedial work.

I always advise that different contractors should carry out the EICR and the remedial work to avoid false reporting and cowboy tactics such as you have experienced here.

Hi
Presume we just carry out work and put a covering letter with eic stating what we've done.
Yes they are basically ringing up every other say stating they need to do work

 

[davesparks]

Hi
Presume we just carry out work and put a covering letter with eic stating what we've done.
Yes they are basically ringing up every other say stating they need to do work

Tell them that you will be getting another contractor to do the remedial work and if they continue to harass you then you will report them to trading standards for using these bullying tactics.

 

[telectrix]

Tell them that you will be getting another contractor to do the remedial work and if they continue to harass you then you will report them to trading standards for using these bullying tactics.

or report them to their scheme. i hear that NICEIC are running short of toilet paper ( coz. that's all NICEIC will use your report for ).

seriously though, as above, do the remedials, attach a EIC to the EICR. all good.

 

[Vortigern]

It is a breach of trading standards to mis-lead or make false representations to a customer. I should give them a call and seek some advice. Personally I feel angry and it is nothing to do with me, when I read the story above. Never going to use them again eh?

 

[Taylortwocities]

Before anyone says I've not got 2391 testing cert, but can carry out installation work.
Thanks.

The crazy thing is that, for EICRs, there are no qualifications required to carry one out (thats partly why we see things like this).
Also, no quals are needed for remedials, unless the remedial extends to notifiable work, like a replacement consumer unit.

 

[nicebutdim]

The crazy thing is that, for EICRs, there are no qualifications required to carry one out (thats partly why we see things like this).
Also, no quals are needed for remedials, unless the remedial extends to notifiable work, like a replacement consumer unit.

Wait. Anyone can carry out an EICR, without having attained any sort of qualification in inspection and testing?

That's a bit daft.

 

[JBW175]

Wait. Anyone can carry out an EICR, without having attained any sort of qualification in inspection and testing?

That's a bit daft.

That’s correct, you only need to be competent, although a lot of schemes will ask for a qualification in inspection and testing if you want to carry them out under their banner; and a 2391 qual goes a long way to proving competence with them.

 

[nicebutdim]

That’s correct, you only need to be competent, although a lot of schemes will ask for a qualification in inspection and testing if you want to carry them out under their banner; and a 2391 qual goes a long way to proving competence with them.

I don't know the whole ins and outs of the industry, but had laboured (incorrectly) under the assumption that 2391 was required for anyone who carried out testing and ispection of installations.

 

[davesparks]

I don't know the whole ins and outs of the industry, but had laboured (incorrectly) under the assumption that 2391 was required for anyone who carried out testing and ispection of installations.

If that was the case I'd have a legitimate reason to get out of doing EICRs, I don't have any inspection and testing qualifications.

 

[nicebutdim]

And I guess many people who are in receipt of a 2391 qualification might struggle with some of the weird and wonderful stuff you find during those EICRs.

 

[JBW175]

And I guess many people who are in receipt of a 2391 qualification might struggle with some of the weird and wonderful stuff you find during those EICRs.

True, regardless of what qualifications you hold, something can always pop up that you’re unsure of; and being able to draw off other people’s experience is a blessing when it does.

 

[Taylortwocities]

Back in the day, when I signed up with NAPIT, 2391 was mandatory. Understandable considering what the NAPIT initials stand for. Then along came Part Pee and a gravy train for organisations like NAPIT who turned themselves into an expensive installers register.
What has evolved is that you can be a member of a CPS with little more than 5-day course and access to £600. If you are a CPS member, they will want you to have a T&I qualification (2391 or whatever the dumbed down version is called now) if you are going to do EICRs under their umbrella. Quite right too.

However, someone who is not a CPS member With no qualifications of any sort, and only scant understanding of anything, can carry out EICRs, wrongly condemning perfectly serviceable installations, costing householders and landlords unnecessary expense.
Crazy.