EICR's - circuits that prove impossible to trace

[Dave_]

Hello all,

just wondered what you do when you come across circuits on a EICR that are not labelled and you can't trace them?

I do this:

where you have 'extent of installation covered by this report'

I put - 'as per circuit schedule'

in the circuit schedule I note down 'Unasble to Trace'

am i leaving myself open??

thanks in advance,

Dave

 

[Knobhead]

Nottingham Forest floodlights down again..

I live in Nottingham, never worked here.

It would have been a bloody long cable from the CFS switch to the otherside of the trent. Lucky if you got 6V at Trent Bridge with a couple of 60W lamps due to volt drop.

 

[Knobhead]

Sorry just worked it out. You could have 4KW of lighting on a 300mm 4 core SWA and just be inside the 3% limit.

 

[KFH]

Slightly off topic but I worked for a large organisation and they could not work out why they had so many mobile phones on contract. They sent around a memo asking for the phone numbers that were wanted. They ceased the contracts on the others, about 200 phones. They did not get one complaint. They then tightened up on their leaving procedures to get company property back.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

In the Extent of elecrical installation i type: Complete electrical inspection and test as far as reasonably practicable.

If we can not find a circuit we then put in the circuit detail: Unable to locate

Then defect it as a F/I

hope this helps

 

[Brightspark2]

Yes you can only spend so long trying to trace a circuit then mark it down as further investigation required.

you shouldnt be tracing them just mark it down on the sheet

hhmmm

Its part and parcel of an EICR IMO.

Although we did agree with one client to trace all circuits first as 90% of circuits where not labeled in one large warehouse we did, took about a week!.

 

[iamelectric]

i wouldnt say its part and parcel of a EICR , unless you agreed with the client to do it and test 100% and in daves case if he did not say to the client that he would identify circuits that are not marked then its not down to him to find them and label it

 

[onions1066]

Tony a fellow forest fan. I didn't see that coming. We could be neighbours. Your not that grumpy old git who keeps popping my kids footballs are you?

 

[snowhead]

Your not that grumpy old git who keeps popping my kids footballs are you?

No, that's me.

And if that screetching woman doesn't get off that tannoy down the road soon, I'll be nipping over with my snips.

 

[Brightspark2]

i wouldnt say its part and parcel of a EICR , unless you agreed with the client to do it and test 100% and in daves case if he did not say to the client that he would identify circuits that are not marked then its not down to him to find them and label it

Fair enough. Theres no argument as I can see your point. We just do it different ways, Ill spend so long looking before putting it as untraceable. As you say better to agree with client before hand then everyones square. :icon4:

 

[Amp David]

Thought the further investigation was part of the EICR report sheets and not just NIC ones. Its on the ones i use from PIR Form and Easycert

 

[Guest55]

you shouldnt be tracing them just mark it down on the sheet

so by your thinking , if no circuits were labelled at the DB , you wouldnt be testing any of it ?

i.e get someone into trace it and label it

well if the its not the bloke doing the inspection then who else is going to do it ?

 

[Flanders]

easiest way is to leave the circuit de-energised and wait for the customer to phone and tell you what's not working anymore. if they don't phone, then it's probably disused anyway,

Be careful when leaving circuits turned off I came across an untraced circuit that turned out to be the pump for the septic tank !!!!!!!!

 

[Knobhead]

Be careful when leaving circuits turned off I came across an untraced circuit that turned out to be the pump for the septic tank !!!!!!!!

You found out where it went though.

Sometimes if you HAVE to find out, it's the only way.

I got in trouble for blacking the local pub out! We had four pubs on our private network.

Turn the supply off, wait for the shout. Go to the pub and test the supply was dead and the beer was good.
Restore the supply and go back to the pub to make sure the supply and the beer was OK.

HIC!

 

[Flanders]

You found out where it went though.

Sometimes if you HAVE to find out, it's the only way.

I got in trouble for blacking the local pub out! We had four pubs on our private network.

Turn the supply off, wait for the shout. Go to the pub and test the supply was dead and the beer was good.
Restore the supply and go back to the pub to make sure the supply and the beer was OK.

HIC!

Sure did find it, but not until the septic tank had over flowed !! The S*it really did hit the fan !!!

 

[thomas-1981]

I would put it down as a c3 and further investigation required. As mentioned further investigation is on all EICR forms. Don't think I agree with the turning it off and seeing what happens technique. Could be very costly and dangerous.