Electric vans

[bigspark17]

Any body have or thinking about getting an electric van?

im considering the vivaro e. The 50kw battery will do 143 miles which is more than enough for me. With the goverment grant of 20% off zero emmisions vans up to £8000 its coming out at onlu a few grand more than a new vivaro diesel. British made and also a good usefor the BBL. any views?

 

[Mike Johnson]

Having a 2nd house in the South of France is hardly typical ffs.

Its typical of the over 2 million Brits that do without taking into account other countries.

 

[pc1966]

The problem is probably 80% of cars do less than 100miles a day on average.
15,000 miles a year is only 40miles a day.

The vast majority of my journeys are under 80 miles, and typical day just now is around 2 * 15 miles.

As a population, we are not ready to accept that our dally run about is unable to take us on the family holiday of 200miles each way without spending 2 x 1 hour charge breaks in the journey.

In my case, and for a large proportion of the population, the fundamental hold up is no charging point. And as I live in a block of flats without designated parking (just in street outside, wherever you can find as space) I could not even have a charger fitted and expect to be able to use it. Even for cases like my sister in a terraced house, there is no guarantee that you can get parked outside of your home as most fsckers these days have 2 (or even 3) cars per family household. And then we get in to folk in rented properties...

So short of some massive central expense to fit on-street chargers that bill whoever uses them, an electric car is unsuitable for probably half the population.
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Also I just wondered, would I even be allowed to fit a charger in a public road? Most folk would do so in their own drive way I guess.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I should think that eventually they will be fitted to parking meters/Lamp posts and you pay on a Credit Card or on account.

 

[pc1966]

I should think that eventually they will be fitted to parking meters/Lamp posts and you pay on a Credit Card.

Yes, with 5 car spacing between lampposts! (OK 2 cars might be able to use each one, if sensibly parked)

It would go a long way to help, the the big cost is not the end point upgrades, it is the massive cable infrastructure refresh needed for feeding 5-10kW per lamppost instead of ~100W

 

[Mike Johnson]

And the required civil works on the roads/pavements laying power cables seems to me will nullify the point of electric cars being green, and let's not forget the diggers will be diesel powered as are the machines that put up wind farms?

 

[Ian Mills]

The other thing is where is all money lost on fuel tax going to come from?

 

[nicebutdim]

A Tesla passed me on the motorway yesterday - not exactly a typical sight in NI.

It occured to me that EVs are probably well suited to this country as there's nowhere you could go that doesn't fall within the vehicle's range - at least not without leaving the country or driving into the sea.

 

[pc1966]

The other thing is where is all money lost on fuel tax going to come from?

Us.

It is always us, just by one means or other.

 

[rapparee]

I wouldn't even consider purchasing one due to the mileage. Is that figure real world driving also?

I'm waiting for hydrogen to break through

 

[UNG]

The other thing is where is all money lost on fuel tax going to come from?

Once EV's are the norm the preferential treatment they get now will be removed and they will get taxed
When they tried to introduce CNG vehicles you could get a home filling point it had a separate meter so HMRC could charge the VAT on the vehicle fuel at 20% instead of the normal 5% domestic use VAT
EV's will be on the HMRC radar at some time in the future without a doubt but at the moment it is a fragile industry that is being IMO nurtured for a future revenue stream
With regard to the CNG VAT charges, I never looked into the costs of charging an EV at a service station or other public charging point as to what VAT rate is charged on the electricity used as they are commercial I assume it is 20%, will we have to get a separate home meter for home EV charging in the future so 20% VAT can be charged the same as vehicle fuel currently

 

[rapparee]

A Tesla passed me on the motorway yesterday - not exactly a typical sight in NI.

It occured to me that EVs are probably well suited to this country as there's nowhere you could go that doesn't fall within the vehicle's range - at least not without leaving the country or driving into the sea.

You know that Tesla is mulling over the idea of setting up a factory in Derry. In the old Ballykelly Army Barracks

They were originally going to set up in Germany, but the site is too small and they wanted to clear some forest but the Green Party over there won't allow them.

They were also looking to build in Bristol but they are uneasy about Brexit so the idea of Derry, being half in and half out of the EU is appealing

 

[Mike Johnson]

What I have never seen published (not that I have looked) is the mile/Kw cost compared against mpg of course it depends if you have solar power to call upon or you take your power straight off the grid, my buddy with the new electric Kia put 4Kw of panels on his house at the beginning of the high tariff being available, he gets somewhere in the region of £1200.00/pa back from the national grid, but runs his car and pool heating from the provider, I should have listened to him when he first mooted putting them up.
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I'm waiting for hydrogen to break through

I get that with Currys Indian type not high street.

 

[nicebutdim]

You know that Tesla is mulling over the idea of setting up a factory in Derry. In the old Ballykelly Army Barracks

They were originally going to set up in Germany, but the site is too small and they wanted to clear some forest but the Green Party over there won't allow them.

They were also looking to build in Bristol but they are uneasy about Brexit so the idea of Derry, being half in and half out of the EU is appealing

Hadn't heard this, but certainly would be good for the area - manufacturing set up on the basis of a sound business case (instead of subsidies) would likely lead to long term employment, rather than rounds of redundencies when free money stops flowing.

I suspect much of the revenue would flow to ROI, due to their more appealing corporate tax rules, but I don't think anyone would object if jobs were created for the north west.

 

[Ian Mills]

What I have never seen published (not that I have looked) is the mile/Kw cost compared against mpg of course it depends if you have solar power to call upon or you take your power straight off the grid, my buddy with the new electric Kia put 4Kw of panels on his house at the beginning of the high tariff being available, he gets somewhere in the region of £1200.00/pa back from the national grid, but runs his car and pool heating from the provider, I should have listened to him when he first mooted putting them up.
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I get that with Currys Indian type not high street.

It cost about 4p per mile charged at home against 11p for 50mpg car, but as tax is 2/3 on diesel and 5% on electric if you adjusted for that price would be about the same,

 

[Mike Johnson]

Interesting Ian, at what sort of range are we talking about, electric car milage seems to be very optimistic and not real world, but diesel cars have been around long enough that we all know our true milage with our individual driving styles, I wonder what the Kw charge will eventually be at the road side and not at home?