Electrical Installation Certificate help please

[jaypp]

think so mate, needs the cert for approval or something

I'm with the 'wouldn't do eic' view. If you knew and had worked with contractor previously then maybe.

 

[Rockingit]

If your location is Scotland, then I'm guessing the property is too? In which case Part P doesn't apply so just do an EICR on the relevant circuits and that's it.

 

[MacLec]

If you're location is Scotland, then I'm guessing the property is too? In which case Part P doesn't apply so just do an EICR on the relevant circuits and that's it.

Thanks for that EICR it is

thanks everyone for help

 

[odawire]

Had this situation a couple of times where cowboys have buggered off halfway through or bodged it up.

Both times building control were adament that a EIC have to appear from somewhere to cover the work or it could not be signed off.

Both times I explained that the contractors that installed had gone on the missing, remeadial work had been carried out to sort the job out and and EICR + m/w certs were all that i was allowed to give them.

Both times they accepted it after a bit of a moan.

Building control act like they will just walk away unless you give them exactly what they want but the truth is they need to sign it off, they are dealing with a lot of different aspects of construction and dont always understand every trade deeply.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

This question seems to crop up quite a bit. i.e Electrical work has been done, not signed off by the people doing the work and then building authority want an EIC.

Three times now I have been asked to sign of others work. When I say 'no' but offer an EICR I dont hear from them again. With one of those people I know they just got an electrician to do a MWC (and paid him £200 for it!).

Just a guess but I wonder if lots of electricians do this, most aren't going to admit it on this site as it's frowned upon!

 

[Richard Burns]

I am sure there are a lot of rogue electricians who will do this, "what sign a piece of paper for £200, hey I never test my own installs either so it won't matter if I do another one!"
The problem will come when they get caught out and lose all their business.
No reputable person would do this sort of thing as it is putting their business at risk and is an illegal act, but councils push for it to happen, therefore someone is in desperate need to sell their house or such like and will pay a lot to generate a piece of paper.

It is similar to the drive by EICRs, paper generation is the key and safety be damned.
Too many people and councils want everything to appear to by the book so that the paperwork matches up, the actuality of situation does not have any bearing on this.

 

[PEG]

Yes,Richard,and a lot of electricians are doing this,who would not be judged as "rogue",but,nevertheless would not admit it on a forum. One,explained to me,that doing an EIC for work where his mate/favoured builder etc had run in cabling,that he may even have supplied,was no different to a company,where installation of the same,was carried out by several operatives,at varying stages of training,and then an EIC would be filled in by the designated authorised person,who may have been involved in all/some/none,of the actual work. We have seen these scenarios,when things go pear shaped,and the courts are tasked with working out responsibility,there is always a list of parties,especially when larger companies are involved. The dude who signs the EIC,is responsible for its' install,but may not have run in any of the cables...he designed it,then told his sidekick,to crack-on. Does that mean the downstairs RFC isn't straddling a hot water pipe? Hopefully not,but is it "hope" that enables him to fill that EIC in and not worry? The reason for this long story,is recently this exact situation arose,where a very good friend(since kids),and a very capable tradesman,did some work for a company we both know and have served for years. I assisted with some design and specification,FOC,job went nicely. Company building owners and insurance requested EIC,nothing else would do. Site meeting arranged,and was more or less asked to do the EIC,insurance inspector (of all people) said "Look mate,it's just a piece of paper that we need to tick a box..." i replied that if all he wanted was a piece of paper,he could have one....but it would have EICR wrote on it...mumbling followed,but EICR it will be. I could have done an EIC,and slept like a baby,but why do it when it is NOT required. I have been involved with hundreds of these issues over the years,and be assured,there are thousands of properties out there with no documents,forged,incorrect,bogus and invented documents...wherever there be rules,there will be bending of those rules,it falls on individuals,maybe even electricians,to find ways forwards from those situations,that both improve safety,and,to a lesser degree,the reputation of these notions. Right,i'm off to write Nick Griffins next election speech...:willy_nilly: