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Hi Guys,

Im after a bit of advice on a project that i am currently working on.

Basically i have a motor powered by a 12v battery which turns a shaft through a gearbox.

What i want to do is use an alternator, generator or something similar which is also attached to the shaft via a gearbox to charge the 12v battery.

Is this possible? Can i simply use another 12v powered motor and switch the polarity around to use it as a generator?

Thanks in advance,
Ryan
 
You would be better putting a pulley on the motor shaft before it enters the gearbox, then belt drive to a pulley on the alternator, this would reduce losses. Do some research on car charging systems regarding regulation, charging etc.
 
What would power the shaft whilst charging the battery ? Assuming not the same battery

Yes it will be the same battery, i am a mechanical engineer so im not too clued up on the electrical side of the project. Nor im in sure if this is possible, this is why i have posted it on here for electrical advice. Here is a diagram of what sort of thing i am looking at doing.

Thanks,
Ryan


 
I understand that there will be losses of electricity in the system and i am not looking for something that will run for ever, what i am looking to do is make the system run 10x longer than the traditional system of just having a running motor and charging the battery after every use.

Will the power losses be too big to not allow the battery to charge and increase the running time significantly?
 
There will not only be electrical efficiency losses, if you are using the shaft to turn an alternator, the torque that the alternator will impose onto the shaft will basically double the amount of current that the motor will need to drive it.

Take into account friction, windage, drag, IR losses, other heating losses, you will have a far less efficient machine than you started with.

You will not increase the efficiency by tenfold, you would probably reduce it three fold.

Hope this helps, please don't spend any money on your idea!!!!
 
you would need to use contactless (theoretically perfect, pretty much impossible given current understanding of physics) superconductors in an absolute vaccum in free space away from all gravitational and electromagnetic influences (including radioactive self decay and particle reassignment) so basically in theoretical deep space, even then the almost incalculably small amount of gravitational influence imposed by the materials that the device was manufactured from would in themselves run away the energy source completely through time even without any kind of working load, even energy from a nearby star would eventually stop flowing (radiating) one day and if the device were powered by ejected mass or radiation, then the incoming energy from the nearest star (sun) would stop passing over/through the device, so power would be lost.. and an internal nuclear power source would expire as well....the same power source would again also exert influences including infrared radiation, electromagnetic fields, particle reassignment, decay ejection energy and microgravity... if charging your battery from say for example downhill motion of a vehicle, and disengaging the coil windings during normal motion (when not going downhill) by using a semiconductor switch, so that magnetic impulse (braking) is not caused then you would be doing what many car manufacturers are doing all the time now.....if you were to place an alternator onto the gearing of your device, the electromagnetic field developed would cause magnetic flux to saturate the windings of the generator which would have the effect of causing magnetic breaking, similar to two magnetic poles opposing each other....the more energy removed the stronger this will become up to the capacity of the device windings and this would have a cancellation effect on the device... Also energy would be lost as: Heat due to friction Inertia transferred to vibration (Acoustic energy) by imperfect surface points and bearing friction..as well as friction from bearing protectant oil, which itself would develop through viscosity. Vibration related friction due to oscillation and gear dithering. Friction against Air. Magnetic Flux generation and ejection of magnetic energy in the form of fields and radio emissions from Electrical interaction (Radio noise) Battery Energy loss through internal resistance, chemical decay and thermal output due to battery chemistry …energy lost through Electrical resistance of components.. Very quickly the output converter (Electric motor) would end up intervening on the input converter (alternator) and they would waste more and more energy to the point where they would cancel and stop, the output device (primary Electric motor) would then overheat and could possibly burn out, as well as damaging the Battery beyond service if enough chemical energy remains stored in the cells of the battery to do so… Using this idea for anything other than downhill vehicle charging would result in a burning smell for definite and possibly a small fire….or worse the Battery
 
you would need to use contactless (theoretically perfect, pretty much impossible given current understanding of physics) superconductors in an absolute vaccum in free space away from all gravitational and electromagnetic influences (including radioactive self decay and particle reassignment) so basically in theoretical deep space, even then the almost incalculably small amount of gravitational influence imposed by the materials that the device was manufactured from would in themselves run away the energy source completely through time even without any kind of working load, even energy from a nearby star would eventually stop flowing (radiating) one day and if the device were powered by ejected mass or radiation, then the incoming energy from the nearest star (sun) would stop passing over/through the device, so power would be lost.. and an internal nuclear power source would expire as well....the same power source would again also exert influences including infrared radiation, electromagnetic fields, particle reassignment, decay ejection energy and microgravity... if charging your battery from say for example downhill motion of a vehicle, and disengaging the coil windings during normal motion (when not going downhill) by using a semiconductor switch, so that magnetic impulse (braking) is not caused then you would be doing what many car manufacturers are doing all the time now.....if you were to place an alternator onto the gearing of your device, the electromagnetic field developed would cause magnetic flux to saturate the windings of the generator which would have the effect of causing magnetic breaking, similar to two magnetic poles opposing each other....the more energy removed the stronger this will become up to the capacity of the device windings and this would have a cancellation effect on the device... Also energy would be lost as: Heat due to friction Inertia transferred to vibration (Acoustic energy) by imperfect surface points and bearing friction..as well as friction from bearing protectant oil, which itself would develop through viscosity. Vibration related friction due to oscillation and gear dithering. Friction against Air. Magnetic Flux generation and ejection of magnetic energy in the form of fields and radio emissions from Electrical interaction (Radio noise) Battery Energy loss through internal resistance, chemical decay and thermal output due to battery chemistry …energy lost through Electrical resistance of components.. Very quickly the output converter (Electric motor) would end up intervening on the input converter (alternator) and they would waste more and more energy to the point where they would cancel and stop, the output device (primary Electric motor) would then overheat and could possibly burn out, as well as damaging the Battery beyond service if enough chemical energy remains stored in the cells of the battery to do so… Using this idea for anything other than downhill vehicle charging would result in a burning smell for definite and possibly a small fire….or worse the Battery

Indeed.

Edit: ever heard of paragraphs?
 

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