Electrical qualifications

[rwhite2012]

Hi can someone that actually knows what they are talking about please tell me what qualifications i would need to start my own company and work for myself as i cant find this information out anywhere!

I have trained to be a sparky for 3 years and got my level 1 and 2, 2330, 16th edition, i know i need to do my 17th edition regs and 2391 test and inspect, but im not sure if i need my nvq level 3 as some people say i do need it and some say i dont.

I have worked for companies only as a temp and whenever i ask a sparky what do i actually need to make me a fully qualified electrician, their reply is only ever ' sorry mate i qualified years ago, i dont know what the requirements are these days, iv been to the college and asked them and one tutor will say something completely different to another, im getting sick to death of people bull****ting me, all i wanna do is suceed and earn doe lol.

Im fine as far as experience goes, i can do everything with total confidence but thats nothing without the qualifications, but i dont even know what qualifications i need, someone please help me.

Thanks, rob.

 

[telectrix]

you need 17th for certain. if you're diong domestic, you'll need to join a scam. 2391 is desirable but not essential

 

[thekingiam]

to do domestic unless you want to pay labc to check your work. i think you only need 17th eddition,2million public liability insurance required books and registered with scam provider i may be wrong but i think you only need 2391 if you want to do periodics.

 

[Dave 85]

First off...
I know what Im talking about
To start your own electrical firm, one that will be registered to do domestic work (industrial/commercial you dont technically need anything) the only qualification you need (that you dont already have) is 17th edition. You do not need 2391 or NVQ.

I can tell you this with certainty because I run a registered electrical firm, for which I am the 'qualified supervisor' and the only qualifications I have are 2330 L2 and L3 (which I didn't need) and the 17th edition.

You do, of course, have to register with a Part P competent person scheme (Elecsa/NIC/Napit) but this is not a qualification of any sort, it just involves your company being assessed annually for around £400 a year.

 

[Dave 85]

to do domestic unless you want to pay labc to check your work. i think you only need 17th eddition,2million public liability insurance required books and registered with scam provider i may be wrong but i think you only need 2391 if you want to do periodics.

You do not need any qualifications/registration of any sort to do periodics.....
That wouldnt make any sense at all...."Ok so you can rewire this house sir, no problem, but I'm afraid you're not deemed competent to come back and inspect your work next year"

 

[rwhite2012]

hi dave, does this mean i would be classed as fully qualified if i have my 17th edition and am registered with a SCAM?

 

[VoltzElectrical]

You are confusing TWO issues here. Firstly, being 'fully qualified' and secondly, being deemed 'competent' for scheme registration.

To do domestic installations under the 'competent Person Scheme', (AKA Part P) you need to have the books, test equipment, insurance, £400, and two completed jobs to show the assessor. You should also either have or be working towards gaining the 17th Edition within 12 months.

To be 'fully qualified' you need the 2330 level 3, NVQ 3 (also AM2 depending on who awards your NVQ 3, some don't require it i.e. Quickstep. I did mine through college and had to do it.) And the 17th Edition.

This will gain you 'registered electrician' status with the JIB. After 2 years and with the 2391, you can get 'approved electrician' status with the JIB.

Hope this helps. One route will get you into people's houses and able to sign off your own work. The other will get you onto site on electrician's rates. It depends on what you want. I hate domestic so went the latter route, hence I am fully qualified. But I am not deemed competent to do domestic work and couldn't care less.

 

[thekingiam]

[h=2]What are the requirements for me to take an Electrical Installation Condition Report (PIR) assessment?[/h]

You will need to have the C&G 2391, a copy of Guidance Note 3 and a minimum of 2 previous PIRs to review along with an available site to visit.


Elecsa​

 

[Octopus]

What are the requirements for me to take an Electrical Installation Condition Report (PIR) assessment?

You will need to have the C&G 2391, a copy of Guidance Note 3 and a minimum of 2 previous PIRs to review along with an available site to visit.


Elecsa​

And that will entitle youto pay Elecsa even more money than you currently do.

Scheme membership is not a requirement for doing EICR's, and nor is having the 2391. Its possible somebody, who's good at learning could get the 2391 and have little or no experience of doing any sort of electrical work!

 

[thekingiam]

And that will entitle youto pay Elecsa even more money than you currently do.

Scheme membership is not a requirement for doing EICR's, and nor is having the 2391. Its possible somebody, who's good at learning could get the 2391 and have little or no experience of doing any sort of electrical work!

well you learn something new every day, i have 2391 joining elecsa scam soon so after joining i could do pir's as well?

 

[Dave 85]

What are the requirements for me to take an Electrical Installation Condition Report (PIR) assessment?

You will need to have the C&G 2391, a copy of Guidance Note 3 and a minimum of 2 previous PIRs to review along with an available site to visit.


Elecsa​

This service is a con. If pressed, they will openly admit the EICR scheme is a scheme, which you pay them for, which allows you to do something that you are allowed to do anyway.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

What are the requirements for me to take an Electrical Installation Condition Report (PIR) assessment?

You will need to have the C&G 2391, a copy of Guidance Note 3 and a minimum of 2 previous PIRs to review along with an available site to visit.


Elecsa​

This is irrelevant to the original thread.

 

[Octopus]

I don't have the 2391, don't pay a scam for EICR's, I do EICR's and that's that.

 

[Dave 85]

You are confusing TWO issues here. Firstly, being 'fully qualified' and secondly, being deemed 'competent' for scheme registration.

To do domestic installations under the 'competent Person Scheme', (AKA Part P) you need to have the books, test equipment, insurance, £400, and two completed jobs to show the assessor. You should also either have or be working towards gaining the 17th Edition within 12 months.

To be 'fully qualified' you need the 2330 level 3, NVQ 3 (also AM2 depending on who awards your NVQ 3, some don't require it i.e. Quickstep. I did mine through college and had to do it.) And the 17th Edition.

This will gain you 'registered electrician' status with the JIB. After 2 years and with the 2391, you can get 'approved electrician' status with the JIB.

Hope this helps. One route will get you into people's houses and able to sign off your own work. The other will get you onto site on electrician's rates. It depends on what you want. I hate domestic so went the latter route, hence I am fully qualified. But I am not deemed competent to do domestic work and couldn't care less.

Agreed.
If you want to work for yourself, you need to be deemed competent, if you want to work for a company, doing site/industrial work you wanna be fully qualified.
Personally I always wanted to be my own boss so didn't worry too much about 2391/NVQ/JIB because they are of no use to me.

If a customer asks me if I'm qualified, I say yes.
If anything, I think I'm over qualified to be a domestic installer.

 

[thekingiam]

I don't have the 2391, don't pay a scam for EICR's, I do EICR's and that's that.

do you send EICR's to scam providers as you would a normal EIC?