Electrical Report question re asbestos flashguards

[Knobhead]

Really!??
Why so many asbestos courses? Perhaps you should go on a decent course where the lecturers know what they are talking about!
Why has there been so many successful lawsuits won by electricians against manufacturers then?
Special guidelines are in place for the replacement and servicing of items containing asbestos pads..
Why?? Because they are totally harmless, yeah right ok..

Provide documentary evidence. Otherwise shut up!

 

[Charlie_]

Which particular regulation in bs7671 would you back that statement up with ?

I was waiting for that question :book:..
Does something have to be specifically mentioned in the big book of spells to be classed as dangerous?
Does BS7671 now take precedence over all legal acts?

 

[trev]

I was waiting for that question :book:..
Does something have to be specifically mentioned in the big book of spells to be classed as dangerous?
Does BS7671 now take precedence over all legal acts?

7671 relates to ELECTRICAL matters not asbestos management and disposal regulations so please tell us, as you have been asked several times, which regulation from the "book of spells" which you are going to quote to justify the removal of a potentially perfectly serviceable piece of kit because you can't just tell someone to replace something just because you feel like it. It has to be backed up with a regulation reference.
Assuming you can find one you can then tell us how you are going to dispose of it, after all it's riddled with dangerousness isn't it?

 

[Charlie_]

'Flashguards' as you call them were made of chyrsotile..
Are they still in use today?
Why?

 

[davesparks]

I was waiting for that question :book:..
Does something have to be specifically mentioned in the big book of spells to be classed as dangerous?
Does BS7671 now take precedence over all legal acts?

An EICR is a part of bs7671 and as such is only concerned with bs7671

 

[Andy78]

'Flashguards' as you call them were made of chyrsotile..
Are they still in use today?
Why?

So you would back up your detailed technical report based on BS7671 with hearsay ?
If you coded that as C2 with no evidence to back up your claim you would have created a fraudulent document.

do you have qualifications in asbestos identification ?
have you had the sample tested by a qualified asbestos tester ?
is the issue within the scope of the report anyway ?

The answer to all three would be no.

 

[CockneyReject]

I was waiting for that question :book:..
Does something have to be specifically mentioned in the big book of spells to be classed as dangerous?
Does BS7671 now take precedence over all legal acts?

No but to be classed as a C2 on an EICR it has to be potentially dangerous in terms of electrical safety, how does an asbestos flashguard impact on electrical safety???

 

[nickblake]

Like the guys say a C2 would be deeming an installation unsafe ,when its not, and yes i do know a little about asbestos ive been on numerous course,s regarding it , unless you get the flash pads checked you have no idea of the type or asbestos content or even if it does contain asbestos , all i would do is high light in the comments that there is possible asbestos content in the flash pad , and nothing more , the dist board could also be fixed to an asbestos sheet so changing it could be way more hazardous

 

[Charlie_]

Ohhh the naivety..

 

[trev]

Oh the idiocy

 

[CockneyReject]

Ohhhh the suspense........

Is he going to give an answer or just keep dancing round it?

 

[alanl]

Sounds like the person from the IoM, who, on the IET forum, last week stated that an EICR was a legal requirement for rented houses.
When it was pointed out that it is not a Legal Requirement, but only good practice (the installation should be safe etc), then he claimed that it was in various Housing Acts, and was definitely the Law, and everyone else was wrong.
The links to them have not been linked to yet.
We're waiting with bated breath....

 

[CockneyReject]

That sounds like it's worth a read, might go have a look and see what I can find, it looks like he's not going to answer the questions tonight anyway so I'm off to go and do my compex revision instead of spending my time on here

 

[Charlie_]

Explained my reasoning which I feel is justified..
Complying or not complying with the regs is not the issue.
The regs is not all about electrical safety of an installation otherwise we wouldn't have all the nonsense about metal consumer units and plastic trunking..

The rupturing of a fuse and the subsequent disturbance of the asbestos pads is an obvious hazard to whoever is in the vicinity.
I don't think you need me to explain all the relevent acts and exactly how this contravenes them,
if so then put down BS7671 and look elsewhere

 

[trev]

So you're the only one who is right on this issue? I'm not feeling that vibe myself Charlie.