Electrician caught signing off new install certs for non registered spark!!!

[egginyourface]

I know a few Electricians that sign off other sparks work for some easy cash. What would happen if they were caught?

Any one hear of registered electrician get done for this sort of thing??

 

[sparkyman65]

i was in this situation before for company i worked as QS as we were an NICEIC registered contractor and we were approached to sign off an installation after speaking with the NIC due to the fact we had no involvement with the installation design whether cables had been run correctly and in appropriate zones which you would be unable to check due to builing being compelted we were advised all we could do would be to test and issues a PIR (EICR) an installation cert issued for work not carried out for a non approved contractor regardless how good the install or the contractor is, is a complete no no.

 

[shocking_eg]

i thought there are two signatures on the paper work ?

one for the installer of the work and testing and one signature for the person verifying the test results

 

[BPW]

April 2013 all this changes anyway, according to a Part P course i was on recently with NIC approved trainer...

DIY'er or non-registered electrician notify LABC, do the work and then get a registered electrician to com in and test, the DIY'er / Non-Reg sign the design and install and then the reg signs the test. LBAC out of the loop therefore.

 

[Jonny66]

I'll do a lot of things for the right price, but sign off someone's work? Oh go on then, but give me it in cash and call me Susan.

 

[markc123]

April 2013 all this changes anyway, according to a Part P course i was on recently with NIC approved trainer...

DIY'er or non-registered electrician notify LABC, do the work and then get a registered electrician to com in and test, the DIY'er / Non-Reg sign the design and install and then the reg signs the test. LBAC out of the loop therefore.

so basically get a registered electrician to come in, find the whole install to be aload of ****, rip it clean out and start again from fresh? Whats the point in all of us going through years of training if you can do all the work bar testing with no quals, its ridiculous. DIY'ers doing electrics deserved to be belted, harsh but true.

 

[BPW]

But it's they way it is now, DIY'er notifies, does work, LBAC get registered to text, except after 2013, LBAC don't send someone in, the client can find someone to come in, which makes it all more competitive and gives more people a chance at the work, not just NICEIC people on the LBAC list.

 

[Jonny66]

None, in fact I'm doing an Niceic 5 week dumbing down course it incorporates DIY technology and hands on DIY necromancy…

 

[Octopus]

April 2013 all this changes anyway, according to a Part P course i was on recently with NIC approved trainer...

DIY'er or non-registered electrician notify LABC, do the work and then get a registered electrician to com in and test, the DIY'er / Non-Reg sign the design and install and then the reg signs the test. LBAC out of the loop therefore.

This would be an interesting move, if true, as lots of sparks would discontinue their scheme membership and I'd be surprised if these Turkeys voted for Xmas.

That said would you want to sign off any Tom, Dick or Harry's work? Not sure I would.

 

[johnboy6083]

i work for a NICEIC registered firm. All of our work at the moment is Industrial. Im constantly testing and signing off others' work. If the crap hit the fan, and somebody was hurt, what would the difrenece be between this situation, and a domestic one?

 

[Knobhead]

Now what started this thread, someone taking payment for a signature I think?

Any changes along the lines that have been suggested will result in legitimising the payments.

 

[Guest55]

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[thekingiam]

lol diy ers knowing how to safely isolate supply, using wet neon screwdrivers to check if dead etc. I can imagine alot of beds being taken up at local hospitals but funeral directors will make a fortune! time to get my black suite out i think.

 

[SparkyJoe]

I know contractors who employ subbys who just make up test results. (and they know this) arseholes are everywhere.

 

[Badged01]

Unless you have been involved in the installation during construction I wouldnt be signing any inspection/testing of!

Although the 3 part Electrical Installation Certificate has someone to sign to say they designed the installation correctly to BS7671, someone else to sign to say they constructed (erected) it correctly to BS7671 your signing to say you've done the inspection/testing to BS7671.

As part of this inspection/testing you are signing to verify correct routing of cables and erection methods amongst other things. How you can do that unless everything is visible or you were there to see it being done? You take the risk if you are happy to sign that off!!

QS's signing off workers installations also beware ....... or am I missing something fundamental?

 

[imago]

I suppose the devil will be in the detail, but from the sound of the changes the sparks doing the testing will be carrying out a limited scope EICR. Doing that on a new install carries no more risk or responsibility than doing it on a 30 year old install. If the paperwork is completed correctly then the sparks signing it off won't be liable for anything beyond his tests and what can be visually inspected.

The problem looming for it will be the 'drive-by' EICR, and as that's currently a problem anyway then nothing's changing in that respect. So the only difference will be, as Tony pointed out, legitamising payments for testing someone else's work.

Will I do it? I doubt it, but not because of any objections I have, I just won't be competative on price as I'll be doing the full range of tests and checking inside all of the points. So Mr testinhalfanhour sparky will be way cheaper than I can be.

Will there be increased risks to life and property? I doubt it, the hard of thinking will allways come up with new and imaginative ways to screw up. So unless a piece of regulation is introduced which increases the percentage of thick or tight people in the population it will be business as usual from what I can see.