Electrician caught signing off new install certs for non registered spark!!!

[egginyourface]

I know a few Electricians that sign off other sparks work for some easy cash. What would happen if they were caught?

Any one hear of registered electrician get done for this sort of thing??

 

[monkeyelectric]

spin,
yes the planning has been approved, if I'm going to carry out the work is there anything I need to do other than notify LABC

I would of thought electrics were part of the planning so you should be able to install and test then its covered by the planning permission, they may want to inspect it themselves but there shoud'nt be any additional fee

 

[markythesparky]

I dont know what the confusion is with this subject. It is plain and simple, and written in black and white.

Part P 1.28 and 1.29 (which is statutory i.e a legally binding document) forbids anyone other than the installer responsible for the work from issuing an electrical installation certificate. Third parties - not having supervised the work from the outset - would not be in a position to verify that the installation work complied fully with BS7671. A third party could only sign a EICR to indicate that electrical safety tests had been carried out which may or may not have met BS7671 but not that the installation as a whole complied fully with BS7671.

From a purely financial and self preserving point of view, why would you want to do it anyway. Not only are you putting your neck on the block but if we alll did it, we would all wind up as testers and miss out on the decent work.

The only reason people ask registered firms to sign off others work is because the others did it cheaper, and they do it cheaper because they dont have the overheads of belonging to the NICEIC or similar body. If we all refused to sign off others work then we would find that the market prices stayed higher.

The trouble is that there are too many registered sparks who are so short sighted and after the quick buck that ultimately they cut theyre own and everyone elses throats.

WAKE UP PEOPLE AND SMELL THE COFFEE. YOU ONLY HAVE YOURSELVES TO BLAME. STOP DOING IT.

 

[ifindoubtdont]

If you've got 2391 you will be considered competent. I have a similar issue with my brother-in-laws house, he has designed, he has installed, I will test. I will issue a 3 sig EIC and just sign my bit, he will sign his bits (LABC are involved). If you've done it all then you can use a 1 sig EIC. They may want to see your quals, you only have a problem if you haven't got them.

 

[markythesparky]

Presumably you have been supervising the work from the outset, which is why the LABC's can get away with it.

No problem there. This is what approved document Part P states.

 

[electric al]

t.b.h i agree entirely with vjs marwick on this one . too much regulation and too many bodies trying desperately to get their hands into your pocket.

 

[wildgoose]

The problem looming for it will be the 'drive-by' EICR, and as that's currently a problem anyway then nothing's changing in that respect. So the only difference will be, as Tony pointed out, legitamising payments for testing someone else's work.

Will I do it? I doubt it, but not because of any objections I have, I just won't be competative on price as I'll be doing the full range of tests and checking inside all of the points. So Mr testinhalfanhour sparky will be way cheaper than I can be.

Will there be increased risks to life and property? I doubt it, the hard of thinking will allways come up with new and imaginative ways to screw up. So unless a piece of regulation is introduced which increases the percentage of thick or tight people in the population it will be business as usual from what I can see.[/QUOTE]

Read this reply and immediately thought of the PAT testing Fiasco.
ie: Those that quickly stick on a PAT label but don't bother to test it -AND NOW POSSIBLY- Sign off the Installation Certificate and not bother to properly check it.

The PAT label stickers have got away with their cheating for years, so this will probably spawn another group of cowboys: "Electrical Signoff's Carried Out - £50 per cert. Ready on the hour"!!!!