Electrician caught signing off new install certs for non registered spark!!!

[egginyourface]

I know a few Electricians that sign off other sparks work for some easy cash. What would happen if they were caught?

Any one hear of registered electrician get done for this sort of thing??

 

[Fin170]

Has the work been carried out correctly and to a good standard in accordance with building regs, the individual requirements and BS7671?


I'm sure the NIC will disagree but I thought that more important than whos paying for their made up schemes

 

[Piratepete]

Just don't sign off someone elses work! Your name's on the certificate - you're responsible. Even if you've done all the tests, do ypu know where the cables have been routed? How many lovely diagonal runs are there? Have you checked all connections. Are there any illegal hidden junction boxes? Do the cable sizes take account of thermal insulation? How can you tell? On the sayso of some amateur?! When you sign that certificate you're saying that the installation (not just the function), in your opinion, complies completely with BS7671. The comeback's on you!

The only certificate that you can legitimately offer is an EICR.

Pete

 

[ifindoubtdont]

When the Do-Dah hits the fan and at the subsequent court of enquiry, your name is the last one on the form. The manslaughter charge will stick.

 

[Simlec]

As long as the work done is to acceptable standard and all tests pass where is the problem it's none different to a big firm with 20 sparks and having only 1 signing off the work I know I sign off my mates work for him I don't have a problem with that nor do building control and I am not a member of any of those robbing schemes

still not sure how you notify building control?

 

[Octopus]

The reason I'm asking this is a mate if mine signed off a sparks work few months ago. Now the house holder is having issues with the installation and unregistered sparks won't go back. And customer is chasing after the guy that signed it off.

What's the outcome for the registered sparky in a situation like this?

The customer needs to contact the "scheme" who the signing sparky is a member of and make a written complaint. It might help.

 

[Guest55]

work being signed off by someone who didnt do the work ?
well the NIC have been doing it for 20 years with the QS set-up lol.
whats the difference between them and you doing it ? a membership fee ;-)
the whole system is bent so theres no point complaining about it lol.

and a little bird tells me that 3rd party inspections and certs will be approved under next years part p changes - which clearly suggests it was never enforceable anyway.

 

[Silly Sausage]

and a little bird tells me that 3rd party inspections and certs will be approved under next years part p changes - which clearly suggests it was never enforceable anyway.

Which is what the Council do now anyway when you pay them vast amounts of money to notify if you're not self certified.

 

[telectrix]

agreed. so why is it OK for LABC to test, inspect and certify someone else's work, but not for an independent sparks to do so? the £300 odd fee seems to be the answer here.

 

[morph]

same old same old

 

[Silly Sausage]

I reckon the Councils and the Schemes are members of the same Lodge.

Now where did I leave my set square?

 

[Guest55]

this and other part p changes will really open up the domestic electrical market to wider competition , which explains the NIC / ECA desperate money grabbing idea of a new competent persons register ( a scam of a scam of a scam if you like )
they can see the writing on the wall and an end to restrictive practices that are quite frankly against EU trading laws anyway.
i expect thousands of D.I.'s to jack in part p membership at the end of next year.

 

[durhamspark]

The difference with LABC signing work off is that they are only testing it not signing to say they have installed it.

I can't see why you would sign off someone else's work, most of the money has already been taken off the job and the bloke who did it will have no responsibility for the job once you claim you installed it.

I've been asked to do this plenty of times and my answer is always the same " take 100% responsibility for the job for 20% of the money? removed

 

[SYKRAPS]

agreed. so why is it OK for LABC to test, inspect and certify someone else's work, but not for an independent sparks to do so? the £300 odd fee seems to be the answer here.

I have never thought about it like this tel...........why are their sparks better than us..............simply they are not...............................and they charge £300 to tell us this..............FFS I am having a large JD now whilst thinking of a rant about this

 

[ian.settle1]

I thought that when Part P started the idea was you paid the LABC a fee so they would send someone round who registered with a scam check the work and then sign it off but then again the LABC did not even do that only took your money.

 

[PEG]

Who remembers the scene in "brassed off" where the young lady who prepared the viability study on the colliery asks the director if it's important? Don't worry,there will be a NEW part P ,reborn,re-hashed and shoe-horned in on a job near you soon...