Electrician qualifications

[paul161201]

Are their any set qualifications to be classed a a fully qualified spark?
Do you have to be qualified to carry out electrical work?
When i worked on site with electricians they all seemed to have different qualifications
I have done a City and Guilds Part 1 in electrical installation and have an NVQ 2 in electrical engineering

 

[damien1]

you can never consider yourself a fully qualified electrician. my qualifications r level 2 and 3 also 17th edition im an electrician but cant work on houses because im not part p registered where does it stop

 

[DurhamSparky]

Set route to consider been a "BASIC" fully qualed sparky (open to debate)

Apprenticeship with AM2
17th edition 2382
Inspection and Testing 2391
NVQ 3 2356
Electrotechnical Qual 2330 Level 3

or similar

obviously other routes into different levels of electro stuff is required i.e HNC and the compex stuff

 

[damien1]

three and half years wasted at college to become an electrician part p as spoiled it for me im seriously thinking of applying at mcdonalds

 

[telectrix]

three and half years wasted at college to become an electrician part p as spoiled it for me im seriously thinking of applying at mcdonalds

ever thought of joining napit?

 

[i=p/u]

cant you do part p

 

[damien1]

im not 100 percent sure how to do it my understanding of it is u need to rewire 3 houses pay them x amount of cash for them to asses your work in all the 1 year and half that ive been advertising ive never gotten a full rewire job yet. mainly faults partial rewires extra sockets and lighting

 

[i=p/u]

sounds terrible to be honest, im on 2nd year and now youve got me wondering isit part of my course

 

[damien1]

at leeds college of technology only 2330 2 and 3 17th edition was available to me 2391 needs to be taken elsewhere part p is just a massive scam to me

 

[i=p/u]

im doing level 2(2years) level3(1 year) and fourth year preparation for am2 is this how yours went,, aye you should become training provider these days,,,,,

 

[oldtimer]

I am totally confused it used to be easier years ago (I think) you
1. Served 4 years and passed electrical regulations and principles course B (Approved) A being electrician and C being technician but no B no job
2. Spent 2 extra years improving to obtain my approved card but only with my employers agreement
3. Returned to collage for the 15th then the 16th then the 17th
4. Completed the Select course on Inspection and testing

I served my time in commercial/industrial moved on to Intruder alarms,HVAC/BMS controls then building maintenance and now domstic property maintenance and I keep asking myself what hoops are some of these snotty nosed kids want me to jump through now as I have said before this should get clarified with a definitive explanation but then again negitivity creeps in and me thinks jobs for the boys who are meant to manage all of this yet funny thing is if I am a "Eastern European" electrician with a card that the ink is still drying on then I expect my human rights to be recognised and let me ply my trade in all EU countries and employers will fight to uphold these rights as long as they get to pay lower wages.

Funny old world isnt it

 

[telectrix]

im not 100 percent sure how to do it my understanding of it is u need to rewire 3 houses pay them x amount of cash for them to asses your work in all the 1 year and half that ive been advertising ive never gotten a full rewire job yet. mainly faults partial rewires extra sockets and lighting

napit will require to see 2 jobs. one major ( e.g. new ring main) and one minor ( e.g.modified circuit) . these can be jobs you have done in your own home. obviously, they will need to see relevant certs. and asses you on the jobs and your being able to demonstrate that you are competent in testing your work. it's worth googling them and requesting a welcome/applivcation pack.

 

[damien1]

im not familiar with am2 i did the 17th edition after level 3 but would you not need to do the 17th edition before am2 as i think its the bare minimum before doing higher level courses

 

[millwall ken]

three and half years wasted at college to become an electrician part p as spoiled it for me im seriously thinking of applying at mcdonalds

You think you're the only one fella? The b*******s lied to loads of us, I remember the adverts even now, screaming at us how much the construction industry needed tradesmen. It was all going to be so wonderful... a real socialist utopia and jobs for all - er, except the indigenous people of England. In our case, we can just p*** off, and be grateful for the dole. After all why pay one of them nasty working class english chavs to do a job, when we can get a nice cheap Johnny Foreigner to do it for peanuts.... Sorry, I'm getting side tracked and the red mist is coming down.

Back to the point, Part P, if it was properly thought out and implimented could of been a good thing for the industry but like everything else that the socialists touch it ends up as s***. I wish that I'd done something else as well. Maybe washing car windscreens at traffic lights.

 

[nickblake]

I am totally confused it used to be easier years ago (I think) you
1. Served 4 years and passed electrical regulations and principles course B (Approved) A being electrician and C being technician but no B no job
2. Spent 2 extra years improving to obtain my approved card but only with my employers agreement
3. Returned to collage for the 15th then the 16th then the 17th
4. Completed the Select course on Inspection and testing

I served my time in commercial/industrial moved on to Intruder alarms,HVAC/BMS controls then building maintenance and now domstic property maintenance and I keep asking myself what hoops are some of these snotty nosed kids want me to jump through now as I have said before this should get clarified with a definitive explanation but then again negitivity creeps in and me thinks jobs for the boys who are meant to manage all of this yet funny thing is if I am a "Eastern European" electrician with a card that the ink is still drying on then I expect my human rights to be recognised and let me ply my trade in all EU countries and employers will fight to uphold these rights as long as they get to pay lower wages.

Funny old world isnt it

tend to agree here i did my 15th edition then had to redo 2 years later as it changed to 16th then did my 2391 then did the 2400 then did the 17th worked dam hard draging armoured through muddy trenches , under floors in lofts etc some youngsters just want the money come to work stinking of aftershave with hair gelled ,compalin about safety shoes as they are uncomfortable , no come on guys ,and electricians job is not a breeze you get covered in mud ,loft insulation dust and grease and grime and when its summer you sweat alot its dam hard work , on top of that theres the paperwork and book keeping to do to Rant over lol

 

[millwall ken]

I am totally confused it used to be easier years ago (I think) you
1. Served 4 years and passed electrical regulations and principles course B (Approved) A being electrician and C being technician but no B no job
2. Spent 2 extra years improving to obtain my approved card but only with my employers agreement
3. Returned to collage for the 15th then the 16th then the 17th
4. Completed the Select course on Inspection and testing

I served my time in commercial/industrial moved on to Intruder alarms,HVAC/BMS controls then building maintenance and now domstic property maintenance and I keep asking myself what hoops are some of these snotty nosed kids want me to jump through now as I have said before this should get clarified with a definitive explanation but then again negitivity creeps in and me thinks jobs for the boys who are meant to manage all of this yet funny thing is if I am a "Eastern European" electrician with a card that the ink is still drying on then I expect my human rights to be recognised and let me ply my trade in all EU countries and employers will fight to uphold these rights as long as they get to pay lower wages.

Funny old world isnt it

And that fella is what its all about, lower wages. The liberal elite have been desperate to undermine the wages within the construction industry for years.

 

[telectrix]

And that fella is what its all about, lower wages. The liberal elite have been desperate to undermine the wages within the construction industry for years.

and ther is a good reason for this. they want all public sector buildings jerry-built with a short life span, so as to avoid public outcry if they say" we're now bored with this building, we want a new one" when they can now say " our building is unsafe so we can justify millions of taxpayers cash building us a new one, preferably with a river/sea view to combat the stress of contemplating our index linked pensions". that's my rant for the day sorted.

 

[damien1]

and ther is a good reason for this. they want all public sector buildings jerry-built with a short life span, so as to avoid public outcry if they say" we're now bored with this building, we want a new one" when they can now say " our building is unsafe so we can justify millions of taxpayers cash building us a new one, preferably with a river/sea view to combat the stress of contemplating our index linked pensions". that's my rant for the day sorted.

i like your quote you are spot on (£40 to fix your light: £50 if you watch me: £80 if you've had a go yourself)

 

[John Bunning]

nic/eic is the easy way .costs dosh .apply pay your fee.they come out to see 2 jobs .scared the crap out of me the first time .been done 6 times now .costs thoundsands of squid over the years .had to get new fluke all in one. insurance. not so bad now as i have the same guy 3 years. to start made me jump through hoops. .i allways take a day off work check my paper work .get the jobs lined up.
really no so bad once u no the way things work .sill dead money. better in my pocket and all that .
but if its what u got to do do it.put your prices up thats what i did.lucky i only have 4 years to go .glad i am not kicking off now cheers johnny b

 

[baldsparkies]

Remember doing the 236 parts 1 and 2 then the B followed by 2 years at night school at my own expense to cover the C. then it was the 15th 16th and 17th courses. not to mention the H&S courses (Which were a joke) That gets you a jib gold card at electricians status. Then there was the 2391 to get the approved status. Loads of responsibility and stress gets you a jib platinum site managers card. And when you join the NIC as a qualifying supervisor the whole lot means jack **** because they completely ignore all your years service time served or not and charge you for the pleasure of being assesed by one of there self employed cant get a job anywhere else guys.
On the other hand if your interested in being a kitchen fitter type sparkie you can join the nic and the likes by doing a nice little part p course. and that gets you a nice NIC sticker on yer van for a fraction of the cost and work and experience. So what is a Qualified Electrician ?? Don't know any more lads, really don't know. ???????

 

[John Bunning]

ok buddy i got 45 years on the tools .get the sticker on the van get a life

 

[baldsparkies]

ok buddy i got 45 years on the tools .get the sticker on the van get a life

Oh yes the stickers on there for sure. But what does it all mean John. You have 45 years behind you on the tools, I have 40 years, but what is a Qualified Electrician these days. Damned if I know.

 

[John Bunning]

do the work the best you can go the extra mile i have. been working for some guys 39 years .
on the books invoices to date 2395 no bad feed back [forget the cash jobs shed loads] say no more
happy crimbo buddy .nic/eic reg sparks [no stickers on the van dont need um] but u do ?

 

[John Bunning]

sorry 4 the last coment i am pretty sure u dont need stickers on the van buddy .but it a funny world now dog eat dog .lucky i have only a couple of years to go .**** i had to go back to tec at 55
happy christmas buddy chees johnny b

 

[baldsparkies]

Happy Christmas to you to mate, Its part of the sign writing rather than stickers, but we pay enough for the privelige so why not. As for needing them ?? well what ever floats your boat.
Me and my partner are stacked out, and like you we have customers on board from many years back. If you do a good job and charge a fair price, your reputation will be where it should, and the work and recommendations will flow. So once again have a good one John.