Electrician with non insulated tools

[Newbie90]

Hi all,

Just wanted to see people's thoughts on this.

Had an "experienced" Electrician start at my place of work on agency (mainly electrical maintenance)

He claims that he has worked all over the country and done so much.

However, he doesn't use insulated screwdrivers and his argument is that no
one should be working live so they are not needed. He is adamant that he won't use them.

Well, there are some circumstances where you have no choice but to work on a live board (obviously taking the correct precautions). Also he would not be complying with GS38. I have never known another sparky not to use insulated tools.

Any thoughts?

 

[Newbie90]

Funny you should mention belts.

He left his belt behind once so used cable ties

 

[jimmymac]

I can't believe the foreman is allowing him to work!

 

[Newbie90]

Maybe the foreman wants to teach him a lesson

 

[Geordie Spark]

The last person I saw with non insulated drivers was 34 years ago when I started my apprenticeship. He wrapped them with insulting tape.
I don't know anyone that would refuse to have them. Why would you?

That was probably me.

I have a very nice flat bladed screwdriver with a knurled aluminium handle that I made in the school metalwork shop.

I used it for years for anything & everything - including leccy - and I've still got it.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Maybe the foreman wants to teach him a lesson

Maybe he's shagging the foreman's wife?

 

[telectrix]

i made a cake in school, 1963, and i've still got that.

 

[Geordie Spark]

i made a cake in school, 1963, and i've still got that.

Coming from you I can believe it!

How was your Cross Stitching BTW.

 

[Adam W]

I suppose in a way he's right - you shouldn't need them because you shouldn't be working live, and there shouldn't be the possibility of something accidentally becoming live.
One of my old college tutors actually suggested unless you're doing 'proper' live working with all the special tools, PPE, method statements etc in place, the insulated tools most of us use should actually be banned, on the premise that too much of a safety net encourages complacency; nobody wants a notch blown out of their snips, but if you're using uninsulated snips you'll double check the cct is isolated!
OK I personally wouldn't use uninsulated tools, but they're only really useful after you've done the really dangerous bit - I don't know about anyone else but the first thing I do after stripping the end is either to double it over or twist it using my (uninsulated) fingers.

 

[shanky887614]

I got some non insulated tools. my knocking driver has a striking cap etc and a couple others tools are not vde

 

[shanky887614]

I suppose in a way he's right - you shouldn't need them because you shouldn't be working live, and there shouldn't be the possibility of something accidentally becoming live.
One of my old college tutors actually suggested unless you're doing 'proper' live working with all the special tools, PPE, method statements etc in place, the insulated tools most of us use should actually be banned, on the premise that too much of a safety net encourages complacency; nobody wants a notch blown out of their snips, but if you're using uninsulated snips you'll double check the cct is isolated!
OK I personally wouldn't use uninsulated tools, but they're only really useful after you've done the really dangerous bit - I don't know about anyone else but the first thing I do after stripping the end is either to double it over or twist it using my (uninsulated) fingers.

bend them over with snips/pliers its easy simples

 

[telectrix]

and all these years i been using my teeth

 

[shanky887614]

and all these years i been using my teeth

thats when pulling in tel not terminating XD

 

[uksparks]

You do technically work live when you put your screwdriver in the tails on the board to tighten them up. I always have and always will use insulated tools. Something I do, maybe just me but I strip wires and terminate using I pliers etc as if it was live, I just feel it's good practise not to touch live wires unless with tools.

 

[Pete999]

O he doesn't use insulation tape. Just the plain Stanley screwdrivers for builders or handymen.

Also I have never seen him with a voltage tester :S

Perhaps that's what he is a handyman masquerading as a sparky

 

[Deleted member 72666]

No vde tools and cable ties instead of a belt.... He's just a tight ---, nothing more nothing less!