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oldtimer
Keep that in mind when the scams push for the 18th edition and of the upteen reviews to ISI&TEE, I&T and so on lol
Keep that in mind when the scams push for the 18th edition and of the upteen reviews to ISI&TEE, I&T and so on lol
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farmerian
Hard work in aldi got to run round doing tills, security, shop filling, deliverys,, u do a four man job
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Teslaisgod
I know i am probaley not one to comment i imagine most of the lads replying on this thread are experienced sparks. I for one am new to the industry and trying to get on the ladder as a sparkies mate. However, I've come across my fair share of sparks and most of them are really bright blokes.
At the moment there is a massive shortage of engineering and science graduates and according to the guardian/official figures the uk needs 100,000 graduates a year breakeven. The country only produces 25,000 a year, so there is a massive short fall. It might be worth continuing the education lads.
I know i am giving it serious thought.
At the moment there is a massive shortage of engineering and science graduates and according to the guardian/official figures the uk needs 100,000 graduates a year breakeven. The country only produces 25,000 a year, so there is a massive short fall. It might be worth continuing the education lads.
I know i am giving it serious thought.
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Adam W
True, you never see the workers standing around chatting in Aldi like they do in Asda. There's always a queue at the tills as well so they don't get a breather there either. The only one that comes close to it is the security guard, but even he's a lot more 'proactive' than most.
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Adam W
Remember the Guardian is a left-wing paper so would be keen to promote immigration - if it's not a crisis with skilled tradesmen it's a crisis with skilled graduates, and to justify unskilled immigrants coming into the country they'll tell you they're "doing the jobs British people won't do".
Ask the average man on the street or in the Jobcentre and they'll tell you there aren't enough jobs here to go around.
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PEM
I hope the public can't read this thread. £7 an hour might be coming down.
Dom and his programme is just what it is. Crap. One programme a client wanted a huge extension for £25 k then wondered why it didn't happen. Often 2 sides to some stories.
Don't get me wrong rogue traders should be shot. But maybe a similar programme about rogue clients who constantly changes the spec and doesn't pay would give a more balanced perspective!
Dom and his programme is just what it is. Crap. One programme a client wanted a huge extension for £25 k then wondered why it didn't happen. Often 2 sides to some stories.
Don't get me wrong rogue traders should be shot. But maybe a similar programme about rogue clients who constantly changes the spec and doesn't pay would give a more balanced perspective!
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Knobhead
This is going to sound drastic, a few dead bodies attributed to poorly trained domestic installers (I can’t bring myself to use the word electrician) would boost the trade.
The government would be forced to do something following a judicial enquiry.
It’s only government intervention that will stop the flow of inexperienced and incompetent DI’s being turned out by “for profit” training and registration bodies.
If I’ve offended anyone, no, I’m not sorry. You would be among the ones that national registration would weed out.
The government would be forced to do something following a judicial enquiry.
It’s only government intervention that will stop the flow of inexperienced and incompetent DI’s being turned out by “for profit” training and registration bodies.
If I’ve offended anyone, no, I’m not sorry. You would be among the ones that national registration would weed out.
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moospark
You're either sick or drunk.
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brookster
Just wait until the Romanians get fake trade papers
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Adam W
I can see what you're saying but that's what part P was supposed to be for, and that all seemed a bit 'knee-jerk' and 'box-ticky' to me. I think as long as someone can work on their own property and just get an EICR when it comes to move, there will always be someone prepared to stand in and act as a 'locum DIYer' to save a few quid on red tape.
I think the best way to resolve situations like this and stop them going underground is to use the old 'carrot' method and less of the 'stick', ie making it easy enough to get a 'proper' electrician, ie one with the necessary qualifications to satisfy, say, the JIB.
All the paperwork, notification etc could still be done by these competent persons' schemes, but that should be optional - it should be just as easy for a competent electrician to fill in his own forms and post them off with no financial penalty.
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trev
I completely disagree, the farce that is part p was brought in because an MPs daughter died through faulty electrical work. Had it been my daughter or yours it would have been just one of those things. Maybe if the debacle that is our trade now was to be made public knowledge then something would happen to benefit it, what's the only way that's going to happen?......I'm sure Tony is big enough and clever enough to fight his own corner but I couldn't help it.
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Knobhead
I’m sick alright, sick of a once proud trade being dragged down by fast track imbeciles. An electrician was looked up to as a skilled person, what is his ranking in society now?
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Guest55
that is completely false my friend.
part p , and the building regs in general , was introduced because tens of millions of millions of £'s was being undeclared to the tax man by tradesmen working the domestic home-improvements boom of the early 2000's.
the notification process ensures earnings cant be hidden. ;-)
absolutely nothing to do with anyones death , because as we all know , the uk already has one the safest electrical systems globally even before the recent rcd frenzy.
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Guest55
its always about the money.
if it was about safety then scheme membership would be free but highly selective and policed stringently.
but its not.
lol.
if it was about safety then scheme membership would be free but highly selective and policed stringently.
but its not.
lol.
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trev
I'll accept that that was one of the reasons, perhaps even the main one but it took a death for the powers that be to wake up to it
the usual, doesn't need any more explanation than this...
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oldtimer
Well that changed a lot I don't think probably made it worse as putting part P in lifted the costs for electricians who in turn increased their prices to the customer who in turn were quite happy to go for cash discount jobs from people who were either not registered or worse not even electricians who ironically come on this forum when they get stuck.
So in a sense the introduction of Part P helped by forums like this has undermined the very system that was meant to raise standards. Thing is if the taxman wants to check who is trading they can do this via the electrical suppliers and wholesalers because from Screwfix to Newey to CEF to Edmundsons and many more they all have you details as a customer on their systems ie your address type of account what you have purchased over the year. They also record cash sales and if the taxman did what they have done with scrap metal dealers where they have forced them to pay by cheque or electronic transfer that has now seen metal thefts collapse by 60% then this might force the flybye night people out of our trade.
Even if they forced wholesalers to take ID and proof of address on sales this may act as a deterrent and yes the sheds could be a problem on this one thing for sure when the taxman realises as with the scrap metal industry that it brings crime down and puts revenue up then me thinks the building trade would be next.
18th edition is arriving about early march 2015, as far as I have heard...
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oldtimer
Tell me one other trade that has such a burden of compliance This is no longer getting a joke as I said if you are with a scam start asking pertinant question because you are their customer.
ie
1. What are you doing to ensure no registered people are not abusing the system.
2. Are you making sure that when you receive a membership application that they are fully competent
3. Because of notification on Kitchens and Bathrooms are you spot checking companies who specialise in this.
4. Will you remove an individuals or companies membership if found that they are knowingly allowing third parties to sign off work.
5. What are you doing for me as a small business.
ie
1. What are you doing to ensure no registered people are not abusing the system.
2. Are you making sure that when you receive a membership application that they are fully competent
3. Because of notification on Kitchens and Bathrooms are you spot checking companies who specialise in this.
4. Will you remove an individuals or companies membership if found that they are knowingly allowing third parties to sign off work.
5. What are you doing for me as a small business.
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