electricl certificate

[egginyourface]

evening all,

a customer has asked me to change their fuse board which i did. I also told them i can test and supply them with a test certificate for the works ive completed.

what ive done is print up test papers from ------ web site and given them this.

wht i would like to know is there anything wrong with this and could this be turned down as being insufficient. would i need to join one of the big boys nic, napit or elecsa

i am fully competent to test and have plenty of experience in the electrical game

replies and opinions would be appreciated

 

[daniel hill]

you have to be in with some one like nic and also have to pat p the work that you have done unless you are doing the work illegally as if something was to happen you --- would be on the line

 

[jam2020]

you dont have to be with nic or elecsa as the labc can sign your work off for you,this however is very expensive. and you will need to hold a part p qualification

 

[egginyourface]

but isnt part p only to do with bathrooms and kitchens? special locations

 

[jam2020]

part p is for all domestic work. i think your confusing part p and notifiable/non notifiable work.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

you dont have to be with nic or elecsa as the labc can sign your work off for you,this however is very expensive. and you will need to hold a part p qualification

There is no such thing as a Part p Qualification. You can register with one of the bodies and become a member of a Part P self certification scheme if you wish. Or as someone else has said notify the LABC concerned, pay their fees. But you will have to go down one route or the other in order to comply with building regs, otherwise your work no matter how good is in breach of them and is therefore illegal.

Cheers...........Howard

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Re: home made cert

You must also notify the work with LABC or you are breaking the law.........unfortunately if you are not a member of a scam you will have to pay the fee to notify.
I would suggest you contact your LABC as proceedures seem to vary.

 

[jam2020]

i was talking a qualification such as eal vrq in domestic installation.

 

[jam2020]

and i said about labc in the same post..

 

[egginyourface]

IET Forums - Self made certificate.

 

[Octopus]

I'm with SirKit Breaker on this

Who produces the "blank" schedule of inspection (the document) etc is irrevelent - use who ever's floats your boat.

To comply with building regs you have to get LABC involved (for a large price for each notifiable job) or join a scheme and do it that way - the key here, is doing neither, would land you in a bit of trouble, sooner or later.

 

[IQ Electrical]

The IET model forms are fine.
You are supposed to notify building control before any works are carried out unless you are registered with a scheme provider.

I assume you are new to domestic work as part P is not exactly a trade secret!

 

[robsparky1975]

Re: home made cert

nothing wrong as long as the model forms are as required by bs7671,although you can purchase green forms from niceic(anyone can use these),they are cheapish and lopk more the part and if you have used nic forms before a doddle to fill out.

 

[Guest123]

Threads Merged.

 

[Graeme Harrold]

Firstly, you are in a precarious position, because if you say you are not registered with a Part P body, then you have already broken the law. LABC MUST be notified BEFORE work comences on any notifyable work, for which a CU change is. Only once you have sucessfuly joined a body can you dispense with LABC, and then you have 28 days to notify your scheme provider on completion. Your certificate in its current state isnt worh the paper its written on UNLESS its used AGAINST YOU as evidence for prosecution.

Be very carefull, and take time to sift through the various threads here pertaining to "Part P" before notifying the world of illegal works....

 

[egginyourface]

labc is a bit of a joke. my parents had a extension built with 3 new circuits. labc sent a sub contractor who supposedly did a complete check! he measured zs and checked the rcd. i might have a copy of the cert he issued us with, it looked like a minor works cert. he didnt even bother doing IR test r1+r2 continuity of bonding. he was literally there for about 20mins. its obvious they were paying him peanuts and that showed in the service they provide

labc just want to make money, they dont care what condition your home is in.

my tests are way more thorough than what they would ever do

 

[Octopus]

"labc just want to make money, they dont care what condition your home is in.

my tests are way more thorough than what they would ever do"

Do you not get it, your tests may be far superior and more thorough but UNLESS you follow the law and do it the right way by way of the notification process you will end up in court, sooner or later.

Silly question - if you have the qualifications, knowledge and experience why don't you go down the Part P route and join up with one of the trade bodies?

 

[nickblake]

if you chance a CDU and are not regestered you have to notify the authorities prior to you doing the work and then after the work is complete as has been mentioned all domestic work comes under Part P ,

 

[spud1]

If you have changed a dist board it is notifiable under part P and you have to be a registered domestic installer and certificate properly ! or you can do this through the LABC for lots of £.

 

[egginyourface]

ive only ever done work for other sparks, and only recently started doing my own work.

funny u say that murdoch, just got my public liabilty and prof indemnity and getting ready to have some1 from napit come down and inspect one of my little jobs.

i just think this whole part p thing is a load of ball and theres alot of guys out there part p registered who dont know main bonding from supplementary bonding

 

[egginyourface]

another question i have, once im a fully approved installer can i give new installation certs to jobs done by other sparks? is it acceptable that i go visit the job 3 or 4 times over the duration of the install to be sure everything is being erected in the correct manor, and cables routed in safe zones and sign off at the end?

 

[brucelee]

hi mate
to do what your suggesting you would have to use a multiple signature EIC they would have to sign for design and construction and once approved you would sign for the inspection and testing

 

[IQ Electrical]

another question i have, once im a fully approved installer can i give new installation certs to jobs done by other sparks? is it acceptable that i go visit the job 3 or 4 times over the duration of the install to be sure everything is being erected in the correct manor, and cables routed in safe zones and sign off at the end?

Are you talking about actually notifying the work?

If so, the answer is you can only notify work carried out by yourself or another member of your organisation.

 

[WayneL]

another question i have, once im a fully approved installer can i give new installation certs to jobs done by other sparks? is it acceptable that i go visit the job 3 or 4 times over the duration of the install to be sure everything is being erected in the correct manor, and cables routed in safe zones and sign off at the end?

Obviously, there is nothing physically stopping you doing this.

BUT

It's your name on the certificates when the poo hits the fan....... and I'm pretty sure that if the scheme operator found out you were doing it, they'd bin you sharpish.

 

[egginyourface]

yes i do mean notifying the work.

no need to be so dramatic... i wouldnt go giving a new install cert to random sparks. i would have to have seen previous jobs of theres or worked with them in the past. if i was to issue a cert for another sparks work i would be sure to check the work at key stages and the final test would be thorough as ever. and as i said earlier my inspection would be 10x better than the crap labc issue you with

what do you registered sparks charge for a eic on completion of say 3 bedroom rewire..£250-350??

 

[WayneL]

yes i do mean notifying the work.

no need to be so dramatic... i wouldnt go giving a new install cert to random sparks. i would have to have seen previous jobs of theres or worked with them in the past. if i was to issue a cert for another sparks work i would be sure to check the work at key stages and the final test would be thorough as ever. and as i said earlier my inspection would be 10x better than the crap labc issue you with

what do you registered sparks charge for a eic on completion of say 3 bedroom rewire..£250-350??

It's a bit hard to put a price on something you're not supposed to do.

You are signing the EIC, stating that you are responsible for it's design, construction and I&T - so you will be lying and possibly commiting fraud.

You might as well ask how much we charge to pinch someones car!!

By the way - they could notify the job cheaper than the prices you're guessing at.

 

[egginyourface]

ok, i see what your saying,,,its down to my own conciounse.

what i would like to know is what is the going rate for a eic on a job you've done yourself, london prices

 

[Geoffsd]

What are you - stupid or just a wind-up?

The certificate is part of the job.

You cannot do a job without issuing a certificate and you cannot issue a certificate without doing the job and you cannot do either without being registered or informing the LABC before you start otherwise you will end up with egg on your face.

 

[WayneL]

lol

 

[egginyourface]

no mate, im not stoopid, i know the cert is part of the job! but that is the part not alot of sparks out there can do! so obviously you charge the client for this service or factor the cost of providing a EIC cert into the job for the client for your service!! im asking what you charge to inspect and test finished job!

 

[ShropshireLad]

a customer has asked me to change their fuse board which i did.

Replacing a Consumer Unit is notifiable under Part P

If you did replace the fuse board you should either be already registered to do so under Part P, or you should have informed the local aurthority BEFORE starting this work.


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"i am fully competent to test and have plenty of experience in the electrical game"

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[cbw]

Hmmmm I guess your customer is now uninsured in the event of an electrical fire....Nice one!

I believe I have found a new home for 'Old Rubber'

 

[IQ Electrical]

a customer has asked me to change their fuse board which i did.

Replacing a Consumer Unit is notifiable under Part P

If you did replace the fuse board you should either be already registered to do so under Part P, or you should have informed the local aurthority BEFORE starting this work.

I think we established this 3 days ago, it's always best to read through a thread before posting.

 

[egginyourface]

ive sent off my application with my cheque for 500 squid and once i am part - pee registered i will issue eic cert to customer...problem solved!!

then i will go round issueing periodics to all my sparky mates who cant issue there own certs...

the whole system is a joke

 

[WayneL]

ive sent off my application with my cheque for 500 squid and once i am part - pee registered i will issue eic cert to customer...problem solved!!

then i will go round issueing periodics to all my sparky mates who cant issue there own certs...

the whole system is a joke

Shows how little you do actually know. Good luck.

 

[Spudnik]

What are you - stupid or just a wind-up?

That comment is not necessary regardless of the members abilities.

We all had to learn sometime.

Please keep it civil.