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That type of emergency luminare is not seen too often now and is known as a sustained fitting.

Thanks. I've seen it called "maintained" elsewhere. As far as I understand, the difference between maintained and non-maintained is non-maintained is lit ONLY when emergency conditions are met.

I had a quick search and I don't think the manufacturer even exists now.

As you can see in the image "sustained" is on the description.

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Sustained is different from maintained but I cannot remember the last time I saw a sustained fitting in use or for sale.
 
Hi, if you look at a starter it is vertually a link of wire, there is a tiny wire, when the juice is turned on the wire heats rapidly and bends away which allows the juice to flow through. When you turn on a fluorescent tube, the starter is a closed switch. The filaments at the ends of the tube are heated by electricity, and they create a cloud of electrons inside the tube. The fluorescent starter is a time-delay switch that opens after a second or two. When it opens, the voltage across the tube allows a stream of electrons to flow across the tube and ionize the mercury vapor (I didn't write this) it takes vertually no time to do so and whilst it is doing this the tubes flickers as the juice is going through.

If the starter is faulty the wire can already be fused or melted together, but the power isn't enough immediately to strike the lamp as it is not there straight away, hence the choke, and the gas in the end of the tubes are still heating, however as the wire is already shorted power is getting to the end and when you remove the starter the action does actually spark the unit into life due to how it is explained above. When you put the starter back in the fact it is broken can inhibit the flow even though the wire is fused together.

The starter may work on other fittings if the control gear is in tip top condition, however this will be very temporary as the starter is actually knackered. Your lamp and starter were kanckered in your light, now both have been replaced it will be fine. Throw the starter in the bin.

Brilliant. Very informative.

Although, just one small correction. The 2D bulb works fine without a starter. There's almost definitely an electronic ballast in the unit, and that must be acting as a starter. Maybe?

I've seen evidence of dodgy starter working the tube by jiggling it. I wondered why this was the case.

So, it has a mechanical element to it that responds to current. Never would have guessed that.
 
Chuck the whole thing and the rest of them in the bin, fluorescents are sh&%!

:eek: WASTEFUL!!!

... and also, there would be no light throughout the property if I did this. I don't think the occupants would be very happy.

I'll hold off on your advice, but thanks for joining in.
 
Sustained is different from maintained but I cannot remember the last time I saw a sustained fitting in use or for sale.

Fair point. This unit must be around 25 years old. The entire property was refitted that long ago. The factor did nothing (but bill everyone) in that period of time, hence they got the sack many moons ago.
 
As you say there is an electronic ballast in there I wonder if that has been retrofitted at some point and whoever did it has incorrectly left the starter connected so it interferes with the correct operation.
 
Why not just convert it to take a retrofit LED 2D lamp 12w =28watts got a Kosnic one the other day £20 +VAT (Denmans) take out gear for 2D part put L&N fly leads from the terminal block to lamp holder as shown on the box,2 minutes.
 
Hi, if you look at a starter it is vertually a link of wire, there is a tiny wire, when the juice is turned on the wire heats rapidly and bends away which allows the juice to flow through. When you turn on a , the starter is a closed switch.


The starter description is not quite correct. The starter is two seperated metal contacts in a neon gas bulb. when voltage is applied the neon gas glows heating the contacts which bend towards and eventually touch allowing the current to flow. When touching the contacts cool ( no glowing gas ), straighten, and break contact. This is when the fluorescent tube comes on. If the fluorescent tube is a good one the voltage across the starter is now below a level that will make it glow and stops it from switching again. If the tube is at the end of its life the voltage across the starter might be enough to keep it cycling on and off, causing the fluorescent tube to go off and on. I allways find it helps when diagnosing faults to know how and why things work.
 

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