Emergency Lighting

[SPARTYKUS]

Yep what the fire officer says needs doing is....gospel.


Also, if not sure about something, ring him up & ask.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Ps nick, theres alot that can follow from this. For example it'll all need testing monthly, youll be top of list. I have quoted year at time, nice payments for mostly easy money

 

[Spazz]

I was thinking of installing these small bulk heads 5 meters apart - this would light the whole shop up - looking at over 1000 units in total, was looking at decreasing the number if the lighting regs allowed it.

I was also thinking of a Single Phase Control DB in the supply room to enable testing to be done on a regular basis and safe isolation of the EL if work needed to be done on it.


All Im doing now is getting advice on products, regs and install method - then I can make my mind up by 12pm if Im going to say yes I can help or no I cant

 

[UNG]

When the store opened it closed at 6pm - never dark at 6pm - no emergency lighting installed what so ever - no fire signs, no EL, no nothing

Not even in the depths of winter, have they moved Wales!!!. When I last worked in Wales in the middle of winter it was dark at 4pm

 

[Spazz]

Yep what the fire officer says needs doing is....gospel.


Also, if not sure about something, ring him up & ask.

This was my first thought - but hes not in office today - out till Monday - I wanted to get a plan to him (in person) by 9am on Monday so he can pick at it then change if needed - quote in my lunch on Monday if all goes well

Ps nick, theres alot that can follow from this. For example it'll all need testing monthly, youll be top of list. I have quoted year at time, nice payments for mostly easy money

Already thought of this - I was going to quote for inspections for 1 year and 5 years - There are also another 10 stores around me from the same company which are in the same situation - no EL - so more work there if I play my cards right

 

[Spazz]

Not even in the depths of winter, have they moved Wales!!!. When I last worked in Wales in the middle of winter it was dark at 4pm

See your point - but its not Winter now!
They have a 28 day Improvement Notice - their reputation lays on this. They own over 1,800 stores (in 2009) and their name is know by all - yes one of the big 3!


Personally I dont see how on earth they passed their initial inspection when they opened with no EL at all same when they applied for their licence to open till midnight - that is one of the first things they would of checked for! - Someone messed up big time!

 

[tazz]

A job of this size, i would have thaught the architect would have prepered a full specification and design for approval by all those concerned, and by this stage the em lighting design is finalised. Personally I would bring in a comapany such a Menvier to Design, Supply and commission, with your company installing the system. This way you get the system designed to original specification and a good deal on the equipment.

 

[alarm man]

as tazz says,this sounds like a job which would benefit a central battery system,designed by the likes of cooper etc

 

[Guitarist]

I would of thought they had their own electrician they use - but clearly they dont - they have asked me for a quote, which I said I will have a look at - if its to big I will turn it down.

All I asked is what product is best and what is the min lighting requirement


You dont know if its to big for you unless you look at the job in the first place! nor can you learn unless you push your boundaries a little! I will never push them to much!

I was thinking if it was a simple EL system like a smaller shop then yes great - just more ELs, if it needs computer controlled systems then good bye!

I wasn't trying to insult you in any way. It just seems odd that something so important hasn't already been designed by someone who specialises in this field. I can understand the Company offering the work (once designed) out to tender, but to just ask someone to quote on "fitting emergency lighting" seems odd to me, when no 2 quotes are going to be the same.

 

[tazz]

After seeing new posts before and after my last all of which are good valid points, I can see its a existing store (me slow at typing again) Nik if its any help, in the large food stores we use the existing lighting and mod them to emergency fittings, with central battery units supplied by cooper menvier. This is more cost effective when talking 1000`s of fitting as you will possible only need to mod 400. This does mean rewiring to provided a constant feed and emergency power. But it meets the regs better as all lighting wil be at full brightness when on emergency power, compared to low brightness with normal self contained bulk heads. Hope this helps.

 

[Guest123]

Zumtobel are another option to consider.

 

[Merl]

For large open areas consider the possibility of using twinspot emergency fittings.

But do some thorough research on the emergency lighting regs and requirements. There's lots of info available out there if you look for it!

 

[rob28870]

Speak to Richard at Channel Safety Systems on 0845 884 7000. They have a great range of quality emergency fittings to suit all pockets and a quick responsive, free design service too.

They'll be able to help you within the time frame and be in a position to get the gear to you within the notice periods. Many of the other Emergency Lighting manufacturers struggle to move quickly enough on jobs like these.

I don't work for them, but we do sell their gear (and others).

 

[snowhead]

I was thinking of installing these small bulk heads 5 meters apart - this would light the whole shop up - looking at over 1000 units in total, was looking at decreasing the number if the lighting regs allowed it.
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That's about 950 too many.

You'll never get 1000 in in 1 day.

 

[Guitarist]

That's about 950 too many.

You'll never get 1000 in in 1 day.

He may wear his underpants on the outside....