Energy saving lights question minimum requierment

[cfsfire]

Hi,

Ive got a current job for a friend which has suddeonly escalated to lots of extra works (causing me a large headache)!!

In a pub pool room the landlord would like the following lighting.

3 x wall lights (existing, but new lights to be fitted)
2 x directional spot lights to shine on the dart board (existing, but new lights to be fitted)
1 x ceiling light in lobby (existing, but new light to be fitted)

4 x 50w downlights fto light pool table (totally new units)
6 x 50w downlights to be used only when room is used as a meeting room. (totally new units)

Im not registered to sign off my own work and origional was only supposed to be removing the existing fittings and refitting new style lights after the wall had been skimmed. I have been trying to look on the next regarding part l but cannont figure out the requierment for energy saving lights for this job.

Many thanks,

 

[cfsfire]

Sorry forgot to add, im not cabling them now due to signing them off. My registered friend is when he gets back of hols end of the week I just have to buy the correct equipment tomorrow & cut the holes before the celing is skimmed wednesday. Therefore i need to know if they will have to be energy saving or not and adjust quantity of lights according.

Thanks

 

[oldtimer]

With energy saving lamps I always advise to go to the next size up ie 11 watt = 60 watt but in fact it is 50 watt hence why joe public says they are too dim so I say put in a 15watt = 75-80 watt but is 75 watt sound crazy but I get good feedback from customers who have fitted out the whole house with this method

 

[telectrix]

as long as you use GU10 fittings, then you can fart about with energy saving candles later.

 

[cfsfire]

Thanks for your help guys. Ive also just realised i have been reading up on part L and infact it should be L2 for commercial!

So there is no regulation to say that the fittings must accept only low energy fittings, by way of energy saving only connector?

 

[telectrix]

as it appears the job is not as in a new build and subject to planning permission, can't see any problem with GU10 fittings and 50watt halogens throughout. crack on and don't worry. also, as it seems there are not new circuits, forget part p as well.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

You should be more concerned how peeved the plasterer will be if you pre drill the down light holes.

As Telectrix says, GU10's give many a lamp choice.

 

[cfsfire]

building control will be coming in to sign the job off as the builders are also fitting a new lobby next to some steps into the room and a new 2nd door into the room. They have also requested 3 x linked smoke detectors.

4 x downlights are totally new but will have the wiring extended off the old pool table light feed.
6 x downlights are totally new but will have wiring extended of a old ceiling light that was in the room

Building control coming in to sign off the job is whats worrying me as if the request low energy only fittings and i have cut holes based on standard 50w fittings there would not be enough to provide enough light ( i have low energy fittings at home in the kitchen and they are not bright enough even though the spacing was halfed compared to standard 50w's)

Unfortunatly the landlord is away on holiday and my sparky friend that i would be phoneing for advice. Been left in a bit of a situation as the holes have to be cut for lights tomorrow

 

[needasparks]

as it appears the job is not as in a new build and subject to planning permission, can't see any problem with GU10 fittings and 50watt halogens throughout. crack on and don't worry. also, as it seems there are not new circuits, forget part p as well.

Agree, unless upstairs is a dwelling off same supply. tut, tut. not like you to miss that one.
that is of cause no new circuits.

 

[telectrix]

forget cfl's then. kosnic LEDs 7watt, or similar, are just as bright as halogens.

 

[cfsfire]

Sorry forgot upstairs is a dwelling, did not think to check if it was on a seprate meter. What diffrence does it make if not part p?

Dont think the landlord would like the price of the led lamps £18 each excluding the light fitting!!

 

[needasparks]

If on the same supply upstairs and installing new circuits then should be notifiable

 

[cfsfire]

I just assumed any works because of building control getting envolved had to be correctly signed off regardless. Still unsure if i can get away with basing it all on gu10 fittings and fitting some low energys if buidling control request it. Im sure if the landlord was not happy with light levels he would change lamps after it was signed off. Just depends on if they would request fittings that take low energy only?

 

[telectrix]

if the publican wants non energy efficient lamps then it's his pub, his electric bill, so why allow some interfering bureaucrat who doesn't have a clue about the causes of global warming/greenhouses gases/ to shove his pencil pushing brown nose into the equation. if these busybodies cared to use what little brains they have, they'd realise that cows farting release more greenhouse gases than all the power stations,aircraft and cars on the planet put together.

 

[i=p/u]

20 quid a bulb, i have 2 people changed there mind, im just installing cables and fittings and they can choose the bulb, sprry lamp