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Does not have to go along the wall, was just an idea. But my plumber did not agree with the idea and it will be going under the insulation in a cavity / conduit (whatever it is called) and all be "sweated" and done proper - no push fits etc.
 
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Hope it all works out for you, a lot to be said about building and running utilities, and being naive in your project.

Good luck
 
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jonwade said:
Does not have to go along the wall, was just an idea. But my plumber did not agree with the idea and it will be going under the insulation in a cavity / conduit (whatever it is called) and all be "sweated" and done proper - no push fits etc.
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Good lad!

It always looks awful running along a wall even when it's boxed in I think.

If you can't get it under the floor an alternative way is to bring it down from upstairs in 10mm microbore copper buried in the plaster.

Bring both legs down together centrally within radiator's width, break surface about 2 inches above bottom of radiator & run left & right towards valves, then bend them down behind valves & into an elbow fixed to the valves. Quite neat & tidy I think.


8mm microbore can be used, but I have reservations about it.
 
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telectrix said:
sod the wench on the bow. she 'll go on to make more films. my point is that, a crumpled bow would only have led to 2 -3 compartments flooding. as it was, the gash down the side reached over about 5-6 compartments.
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I wouldn't doubt you for a moment tel
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That poor girl would have been a bit miffed though,there again the needs of the many and all that
 
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It was a bloody awful film anyway. That said, the real thing couldn't have been a barrel of laughs either :)
 
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trev said:
It was a bloody awful film anyway. That said, the real thing couldn't have been a barrel of laughs either :)
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Too right about the film

As for the real titanic I suppose the attitude at the time was"life will go on"
 
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Des 56 said:
Too right about the film

As for the real titanic I suppose the attitude at the time was"life will go on"
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Well there was a looming war to plan for.

(and NO .. it was NOTHING to do with the weaving industry)
 
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Geordie Spark said:
Good lad!

It always looks awful running along a wall even when it's boxed in I think.

If you can't get it under the floor an alternative way is to bring it down from upstairs in 10mm microbore copper buried in the plaster.

Bring both legs down together centrally within radiator's width, break surface about 2 inches above bottom of radiator & run left & right towards valves, then bend them down behind valves & into an elbow fixed to the valves. Quite neat & tidy I think.

8mm microbore can be used, but I have reservations about it.
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He has access to 15mm pipe which he said something about going down to 10mm. I gave him permission to remove as much wall as needed and not worry about that - just get the plumbing spot on.

"being naive in your project" - it was never meant to be my project - I hired a builder to do the whole job. It is only because I work from home managing websites that I could watch and photograph the work as it was done and blog about it. I dread to think where I would be in 6 months from now if I was out all day while they did the building. Remember, if it was not for davethsparky showing you all my photos I would not have been alerted to the problems - I only found out when my website visits leapt from 10 a day (friends on Facebook looking) to hundreds (you all looking!).

To a big thanks to davethsparky!
 
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jonwade said:
He has access to 15mm pipe which he said something about going down to 10mm. I gave him permission to remove as much wall as needed and not worry about that - just get the plumbing spot on.

"being naive in your project" - it was never meant to be my project - I hired a builder to do the whole job. It is only because I work from home managing websites that I could watch and photograph the work as it was done and blog about it. I dread to think where I would be in 6 months from now if I was out all day while they did the building. Remember, if it was not for davethsparky showing you all my photos I would not have been alerted to the problems - I only found out when my website visits leapt from 10 a day (friends on Facebook looking) to hundreds (you all looking!).

To a big thanks to davethsparky!
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I think our comments here were meant to be constructive and it's good that you have realised that - some folks do not or cannot recognise help when they see it and start hoyin' wobblers all over the shop!!
 
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Well, I always try to take the positive from everything I encounter and leave the rest behind. Helps keep me sane!
 
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hi o/poster i,m a sparky (since 1968) 60 now

ive been reading this thread on and off
its gone sidways in part hasnt it?
the build looks really good
the plumbing and elecrtics no good
 
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I must confess my original intention after having stumbled across the website from elsewhere was a bit of p*ss taking and ridicule.

But once jonwade appeared as the customer on the receiving end of the work my intentions did change to being somewhat more helpful.

The thing is 6months down the line it may have been fine, or it may not have been nobody can predict it really.

You could have ended up like the house I was working at yesterday, a forest of dehumidifers and a machine which basically blows hot air into the insulation layer under the screed to try and drive out the water which has collected under there! As far as I know a couple of compression fittings on the pipework buried in the screed had leaked and filled the insulation layer up with water, enough that it travelled through to next door (semi-detached house)
 
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ayjay said:
hi o/poster i,m a sparky (since 1968) 60 now

ive been reading this thread on and off
its gone sidways in part hasnt it?
the build looks really good
the plumbing and electrics no good
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Thanks. I am indeed happy with the building, the windows, the roof, the flooring. I watched all the major bits done and was present when the building inspector came round too. So I am still having the builders complete the work (once the plumbing is sorted) and do the internal work (2 new walls, new window and install kitchen) but getting the electrics and plumbing all done separately.

I did have the electrics reviewed by a local firm who said that it was passable, and should not cause problems, and if it did it is on the RCA and easy to replace the cables. So although I am not happy with how the wires are as such, that is how they are staying. But if I had a good friend who was a sparky I'd probably get them to change it while the builders are away too - but I only know a plumber!
 
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"Passable" "should not cause problems" what would you say if a mechanic said that about your brakes?
 
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Speedfit work on friction so unless pipe is squeeky clean it wont work.

Imho always glue pipe if you have to use speedfit

It was just the otherday i ended up taping up a hose to an outside tap because speedfit is rubbish.

When i was at college doing 2330 we did a little plumbing and at least 1/10 failed.

Cant beat a bit of soldering (doesnt help people don't always use the right inserts. It was news to me last week there is different sized inserts for 15mm pipe
 
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shanky887614 said:
Speedfit work on friction so unless pipe is squeeky clean it wont work.

Imho always glue pipe if you have to use speedfit

It was just the otherday i ended up taping up a hose to an outside tap because speedfit is rubbish.

When i was at college doing 2330 we did a little plumbing and at least 1/10 failed.

Cant beat a bit of soldering (doesnt help people don't always use the right inserts. It was news to me last week there is different sized inserts for 15mm pipe
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Or cut the pipe square!!
 
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show me a man who can wipe a lead joint and you've got a plumber. otherwise just a pipe monkey/jointer..
 
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shanky887614 said:
Speedfit work on friction so unless pipe is squeeky clean it wont work.

Imho always glue pipe if you have to use speedfit

It was just the otherday i ended up taping up a hose to an outside tap because speedfit is rubbish.

When i was at college doing 2330 we did a little plumbing and at least 1/10 failed.

Cant beat a bit of soldering (doesnt help people don't always use the right inserts. It was news to me last week there is different sized inserts for 15mm pipe
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It does'nt work on friction there are little metal blades that act like barbs, when you push the collar in they release the pipe, the problem comes from the pipe itself getting scratches in it when dragged across the floor or pulled in. Then when the fitting is put on it weeps past the seals vier the scrathes, its the same with hep2o, the only difference in inserts are between hep and speedfit, you have to use hep inserts on hep pipe and the same for speedfit, to my knowledge you should never use glue
 
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As everyone has said its a p**s poor job all round but as i suspect the electrics in this extention have been taken from existing circuit and so are not notifiable under Part P which proves Part P does not work in it present state. If any Part P reg spark signs that off, which still is not completly clear if this is allowed yet , they need to be reported.
 
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I only use the push fit stop ends have never used anything else speed fit for pressurised pipes I have use push fit poly pipe waste fittings which are good and ways to use
 
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dubbo why do you bother repling to the idiots on here most are totally clueless
i guess ill be chucked off again by
 
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ayjay said:
dubbo why do you bother repling to the idiots on here most are totally clueless
i guess ill be chucked off again by
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I've never seen him repl to any of us.
Sometimes you worry me Ayjay :)
 
Frankly, I was shocked when I saw the photos. I felt really sorry for you jon, as I know that you were proudly showing the world your new "pride and joy". It makes me really sad when builders have a go at electrics, usually because they've watched an electrician, and "it's not rocket science, is it?". I'm glad that you now have professionals onboard, but it does make me angry that people such as yourself don't insist that properly qualified electricians carry out such critical work. Let's face it, electricity can, and does, kill. Why would you trust it to someone who mixes cement for a living?
All the best.
 
Guitarist said:
Frankly, I was shocked when I saw the photos. I felt really sorry for you jon, as I know that you were proudly showing the world your new "pride and joy". It makes me really sad when builders have a go at electrics, usually because they've watched an electrician, and "it's not rocket science, is it?". I'm glad that you now have professionals onboard, but it does make me angry that people such as yourself don't insist that properly qualified electricians carry out such critical work. Let's face it, electricity can, and does, kill. Why would you trust it to someone who mixes cement for a living?
All the best.
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Now that's what I call an impact statement
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It states the truth and puts into context what has happened to our trade

That statement ought to be taken on board by the Esc/Niceic and the rest of the leeches in this industry for their next probable futile safety campaign

Remember folks
Let's face it, electricity can, and does, kill. Why would you trust it to someone who mixes cement for a living?
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