Failed Eicr's for 230v bathroom downlights no rcd

[JohnS888]

With all the rush for landlord EICR's lately been getting few enquires and failed certs sent over to me to quote on remedials. Realise you need a greater grasp of regs and experience to do do eicr's on regular basis so not venturing out doing many of these myself at the moment but do find it surprising some of the failed inspections getting sent over to me. Been asked to quote on possibly changing spots or providing rcd protection to lighting circuit. Went to property today customer has 230v volt spots in property and as see in photo one above shower. Can someone correct me if seeing this wrong but even though spots are not on rcd they are 2.25m above floor so fall within zone 2. There is nothing on them suggesting their ip or fire rating but are the flush mounted type with glass seal so surely these provide at least the ip4x requirement needed and although in a block of flats the separation between floors is concrete so no requirement for fire rated fixtures? Thanks

 

[Welchyboy1]

Any supplementary bonding in place?

 

[JohnS888]

Any supplementary bonding in place?

From what I see there wasn't any in bathroom but 10mm's to both water and gas and all pipes of boiler cross bonded with 6mm. Bathroom didn't have any extraneous parts could be touch simultaneously I.e rad and bath basin

Most shaver sockets are supplied from the lighting circuit which should be RCD protected to current regs and I believe C2 if serving a special location!
I could have used other equipment ITS NOT ABOUT A SHAVER SOCKET!
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UNG its alright marking disagree but what do you disagree with?

1. Most shaver sockets are supplied from a lighting circuit!
2. The lighting circuit should be RCD protected!
3. It should be coded C2 in the instance of the OP's thread!
or
4. It IS about a shaver socket?

In Napits Codebreakers a proposed C3 rating is given for 230v circuits supplying equipment in bathrooms or passing through zone 1 without RCD protection. I realise that is only a guide

 

[pc1966]

What type of shaver sockets do you fit that RCD protection would make a difference

A very bad eBay special...

 

[Lister1987]

C2 = 1 thing going wrong with turn into a C1 - How I've taken to looking at it, so would argue C2 for lack of RCD. Non fire rated Down lights in Flat with concrete barrier I would LIM simply because I couldn't verify the integrity of thr compartment formed by the concrete barrier

 

[Taylortwocities]

t even though spots are not on rcd they are 2.25m above floor so fall within zone 2.

Ceiling height puts the downlights out of any bathroom zone. They are not in zone 2.
C3,and that’s for the cr@p wiring.

 

[HRM-ELEC]

C2 - basic insulation vsable

RCD protection on lighting circuit- -
C3 wih supplementary bonding present.
C2 if no supplementary bonding

 

[Lister1987]

Just to play devils advocate here; if the property is for private rent then you could argue it's commercial and be more stringent on the coding (C2 lack of RCD on commercial whereas it may only attract a C3 on an home that is owned instead of rented - based on being more lax with electrical safety C's having the obligation on the PRS side of things. (You could FI and find out what limitations the LL places on the client (no drilling, no changing fixtures etc) as that could be a factor in your coding judgement

 

[DPG]

Just to play devils advocate here; if the property is for private rent then you could argue it's commercial and be more stringent on the coding (C2 lack of RCD on commercial whereas it may only attract a C3 on an home that is owned instead of rented - based on being more lax with electrical safety C's having the obligation on the PRS side of things. (You could FI and find out what limitations the LL places on the client (no drilling, no changing fixtures etc) as that could be a factor in your coding judgement

Doesn't matter what limitations are in the contract, the tenant will still put a shelf up if he needs one unfortunately.