Fault find (Electrical condition report) or (Electrical Installation certificate)

[samsingh]

Hi guys, I have carried out some testing on a existing domestic installation, I was finding a low IR Result on a lighting circuit. I identified and rectified the fault. I am going to carry on the with the testing on the weekend and will be doing the paperwork for my Testing on the install I just wanted to ask someone which of the two, electrical condition report or electrical installation certificate to use, both documents will include schedule of tests, condition report ETC.

I was swaying towards doing a electrical condition report. I would just like to ask and be certain. I've previously in the past tested on new installs and not had to do a condition report yet.

Thanks for the help guys

 

[Midwest]

Kinda agree with @peterhyper. But as OP has done some testing to locate the fault, then they can be provided. But apart from covering ones arse, does completing a certificate actually achieve ought, not withstanding if the client requests said certificate; I’m referring to my mythical Mrs Miggins, who just stick it in the bin.

Just saying. Do miss that Murdoch bloke, even SMD.

 

[radiohead]

You will need some form of record Peter the MNEWC is in my opinion is the easiest way forward, if you disagree please tell me your thoughts. Perhaps you have come up with a better solution, other than " is there any need for certification"

Most of the 'forms for everything' advocates dont actually have to fill the bleeding things in themselves!!
Reading the thread I'm not sure if the OP is carrying out an inspection or responding to a fault call. If the latter I would not provide a form for such a minor repair, assuming the circuit was otherwise satisfactory when re-energised. IMO it should be a given that as a professional electrician the circuit will only be re-energised if it is in a safe condition to do so, a form proves nothing, the fact that the circuit has been re-energised by a professional electrician should be all the 'record' required. Any Tom, Dick or Abdul can fabricate a form.
The electricians invoice will be a 'record' that the circuit was left in a safe condition.

 

[GBDamo]

Most of the 'forms for everything' advocates dont actually have to fill the bleeding things in themselves!!
Reading the thread I'm not sure if the OP is carrying out an inspection or responding to a fault call. If the latter I would not provide a form for such a minor repair, assuming the circuit was otherwise satisfactory when re-energised. IMO it should be a given that as a professional electrician the circuit will only be re-energised if it is in a safe condition to do so, a form proves nothing, the fact that the circuit has been re-energised by a professional electrician should be all the 'record' required. Any Tom, Dick or Abdul can fabricate a form.
The electricians invoice will be a 'record' that the circuit was left in a safe condition.

Repairs and maintenance, no cert unless client specifically requests one then charge them, significantly more than the repair to teach the bleeders a lesson.

Some people must walk round with dustbin lids down their pants the fear they have for exposing their ---. Either that or, as said elsewhere, they don't have to fill the damn things in.

 

[peterhyper]

You will need some form of record Peter the MNEWC is in my opinion is the easiest way forward, if you disagree please tell me your thoughts. Perhaps you have come up with a better solution, other than " is there any need for certification"

Pete, When I attend a fault that is something simple like a poor connection or a faulty switch or socket, I will resolve the fault and do a simple ZS and RCD test and that's it. Tighting a loose wire or replacing a light switch or socket won't get me issuing any type of cert.

I have previously been criticised on here before for not issuing a MWC for replacing a plastic light switch, but I never have or never will. Specific advice has been given to people on here on many occasions who have absolutely no training, qualifications, equipment or basic knowledge of how to perform a number of electrical tasks, and of course they also can't issue any type of certificate, but that appears to be fine, but despite me having the training, qualifications, equipment and more than a basic knowledge, its not okay by some people for me not to issue a certificate for tightening a loose conductor?

I don't ever criticise or care if sparks want to issue a cert for tightening a loose conductor or replacing a plastic light switch, but I never will.

Edit: so to answer the question, there isn't a problem for me to have to find a solution for.

 

[JK-Electrical]

Just saying. Do miss that Murdoch bloke, even SMD.

Me too. I enjoyed reading his posts. Bring back Murdoch!

 

[Midwest]

Me too. I enjoyed reading his posts. Bring back Murdoch!

Yep, hope Murdoch's keeping well, wherever he might be lurking. Even liked SWD input, even ……….spinlondon

 

[Lister1987]

I would look at it in this light; if the work I do involves anything that I or the client would class as consumables (bulbs, bit of sleeving, plug top fuse) or a level of preventative maintainance expected of a basic householder then I wouldn't deem a cert required (unless you're including testing), any work that involves replacing or maintaining a fixed wiring fitting the I would generate a cert for - this is meant as a dynamic list -we all know the jobs that would be deemed beyond the realm of joe public - and as such is non-exhaustive, by all mean so add your own;

Bulb change; no cert
Tightening loose switch connections in sockets/switches; no cert - unless testing done beforehand and it flagged suspect loose terminals
Changing plug top fuse; no cert
Changing plug socket/light switch; generate cert (because we're all tightening to manu torque settings aren't we)
Changing light fixture; generate cert
work within CU; generate cert

Feel free to expand on

 

[GBDamo]

I would look at it in this light; if the work I do involves anything that I or the client would class as consumables (bulbs, bit of sleeving, plug top fuse) or a level of preventative maintainance expected of a basic householder then I wouldn't deem a cert required (unless you're including testing), any work that involves replacing or maintaining a fixed wiring fitting the I would generate a cert for - this is meant as a dynamic list -we all know the jobs that would be deemed beyond the realm of joe public - and as such is non-exhaustive, by all mean so add your own;

Bulb change; no cert
Tightening loose switch connections in sockets/switches; no cert - unless testing done beforehand and it flagged suspect loose terminals
Changing plug top fuse; no cert
Changing plug socket/light switch; generate cert (because we're all tightening to manu torque settings aren't we)
Changing light fixture; generate cert
work within CU; generate cert

Feel free to expand on

My rough rule of thumb is if I'm adding/removing circuit cable or splitting existing circuit cable then it's altering the original design of the circuit sufficient to require a cert.

Anything else is upkeep.

You could arguably add/alter withiuout the above but rare so it stands up as a rule of thumb.

 

[Flanders]

For such a minor repair I would do the Eicr and right a comment on the observation page stating that the observation was rectified at the time of inspection and write info or note in the column where you would normally but the code

 

[peterhyper]

For such a minor repair I would do the Eicr and right a comment on the observation page stating that the observation was rectified at the time of inspection and write info or note in the column where you would normally but the code

Is an EICR intended/designed to be used for a minor repair?

 

[GBDamo]

Is an EICR intended/designed to be used for a minor repair?

I think there's a bit of confusion as to weather the fault was duscovered during an EICR or as a fault call out.

Hence the make a note on the EICR, if doing one, or nothing at all if a call out.

 

[Flanders]

Is an EICR intended/designed to be used for a minor repair?

No but the OP was already doing the Eicr so why caurse confusion issuing an unsatisfactory report and another peace of paper saying you fixed it at the same time.

 

[peterhyper]

No but the OP was already doing the Eicr so why caurse confusion issuing an unsatisfactory report and another peace of paper saying you fixed it at the same time.

Why cause confusion entering the fault on an eicr when it was resolved (there won't be a fault present when the EICR is completed).