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Halfway through my level 3 diploma with an electrical training provider just outside of Nottingham. Doing practical exams at the moment - inspection and testing, fault finding - but haven’t had any practical tuition yet!

I can’t make sense of this from reading the city and guilds books alone. Is this what it’s meant to be like? I sort of expected someone would stand in front of a consumer unit and tell us how to diagnose faults, not just stick us straight into an exam?

I seriously don’t know how I’m going to pass this and for the amount of money I’ve paid I don’t really get what I’m paying for. What are other people’s experience of the 2365 level 3?
 
Yes @Edtwozeronine it is a bit poor! We haven’t had any practical tuition and all the guys are absolutely panicking over how the hell we’re meant to pass this.

I’m in the PMs so hopefully I can get there. The test is tomorrow so it would be a bloody miracle but I can only do my best.
 
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MK, I would spend all day today watching John ward and Chris kitcher,and take SC up on her offer (she’s the oracle around here) would also download the pdf instructions for the MFT your centre uses if you know which make n model they are,getting to grips with your tester settings will save you valuable time and is one less thing to have to think about....and good luck mate!
 
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Is it the training provider on Nottingham road across from the evans hallshaw showroom? I did the 18th edition there last week, basically 2 days highlighting my regs book. I would have liked a bit of info on new regs and amendments for my ÂŁ500 rather than just scribbling all over my new book.
 
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Any tips? Any good online resources for fault finding in particular? I’ve really struggled to find anything.

Regarding fault-finding:

In real life, key to this is a logical approach to fault finding – collecting as much information as possible (also known as “talking to people,” but including as well any paper-based documentation available like instruction manuals, schedules, plans etc), thinking about what the cause of the fault might be, then deciding on what appropriate tests would prove or disprove the theory. Break the problem down into smaller chunks – literally, in the case of circuits (divide the circuit into two, find out which half still has the fault), and eliminating certain areas. Although it is very unlikely for two different faults to simultaneously occur, it is quite feasible for one fault to go unnoticed for a long time (e.g. lack of main equipotential bonding) and then the symptoms only becoming apparent when another fault occurs (e.g. breakdown in insulation, causing a shock off pipework). The majority of fault diagnosis involves the use of appropriate dead tests – either continuity (to find open circuits) or insulation resistance (to find short circuits, or degraded insulation).

Regarding the 2365-03 practical fault-finding assessment:
It’s basically you assessing whether it’s a short (in which case, do an IR test) or an open circuit (in which case do a continuity test). There might be incorrect polarity, also (in other words, L-N swapped around) - you can determine this with continuity tests, i.e. test L at the board to L at the point of inspection - if open circuit, then try L at the board to N (or E) at the point of inspection - if low resistance, then it's probably polarity. Confirm by testing continuity of N (or E) at the board to L at the point of inspection.

If it’s an RCD that’s affected, then it’s an earth fault (either L-E or N-E). If an RCD-protected breaker trips, then in must be a L-N fault (as RCDs will not trip on these). If the scenario mentions “when it’s switched on” then it must be something to do with the switched L. So think things through, and make sure you have a logical approach to testing. Write down all your tests - whether it's continuity or insulation resistance, and what the results are.

For example:

"Symptoms of fault: RCD trips when light switch is turned on, on downstairs lighting circuit."

Logical thought:

(1) RCD trips, so must be L-E fault or N-E fault (would not trip on L-N fault)
(2) it only trips when light switch is turned on. If wired correctly, this will switch the L conductor only. So likely L-E fault (short).

Testing:
Insulation resistance test
L-E 0.00MΩ
N-E >500MΩ
L-N >500MΩ

Diagnosis: L-E short circuit

How would you rectify? Check connections from switch onwards, replace cable/accessory as appropriate.

Hope that helps, and good luck :)
 
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