Fire Brigade advice

[Octopus]

The FB 'Muppets' are not allowed to take old ones down even with the verbal permission of the home owner. FB 'Muppets are supplied with smoke detectors to put up, they can't recommend hardwired ones or any make. They may be Muppets in your eyes then hopefully your never need to be carried out of a burning building by one of these Muppets.

My point is that they leave faulty smoke alarms in properties, well past there dates as on the labels visible on the side.

They either do it right or not at all IMHO.

 

[tazz]

My point is that they leave faulty smoke alarms in properties, well past there dates as on the labels visible on the side.

They either do it right or not at all IMHO.

Very good point....but they will say its your responsibility as a home owner to check the dates

 

[davesparks]

My point is that they leave faulty smoke alarms in properties, well past there dates as on the labels visible on the side.

They either do it right or not at all IMHO.

Are you suggesting they should not fit smoke alarms if an existing one has exceeded its useable lifespan?
Is it really better to have no working smoke alarms than to have a non functional one left on the ceiling?
Maybe they should take the old ones down and fill the screw holes and paint the ceiling to cover the marks, or clean up the mess if the previous one was stuck up with a sticky pad?

 

[Newbyspark]

Think there is a bit of confusion over what happens in the fire service. Fire fighters have to go and fit smoke detectors in some households. We are given smokes to put up, usually 10 year ones. If there are any smokes already there but do not work we are not allowed to take them down because if a bit of plaster or something comes down with it we could be held liable to repair the ceiling. There is a department in most fire services that's called community fire safety. These are the people that will assess building's and I agree that not all of the people have the required knowledge, but they do the best they can with the training they are given and I also agree that this shouldn't happen. I also don't think that the fire service has much say on what consumer units should be installed.

 

[tazz]

My personal opinion....FB should keep their nose out, and stick to putting fires out...BC conform to BS5839 and approved document B, and as such have the final ruling

 

[Octopus]

My point is that the FB have little to do these days so they do such jobs to get them out of the fire station.

My local ones carpark has as many trade vehicles as my local Wickes @ 8am

 

[Adam W]

I was under the impression mains interlinked alarms were only a requirement for new builds, when wiring is being put in anyway.
You can't really expect to say the word and everyone has to have their carpet and floorboards ripped up to have slightly different smoke detectors put in just in case they forget to change the batteries.
Same with metal CUs - like with all changes to the regs this isn't retrospective, but if you're having a new CU fitted it may as well be a metal one.
Yes I'm aware of the debate over cowboy DIs going around telling little old ladies that the CU they had installed 2 months ago is now illegal all of a sudden.

 

[tazz]

Well again Professionals giving good input....and the trainee section jump into a section out of their depth...

 

[elevate]

My personal opinion....FB should keep their nose out, and stick to putting fires out...BC conform to BS5839 and approved document B, and as such have the final ruling

They should also stay well clear of lifts, when they are not smashing the doors in with a sledgehammer (they have release keys) causing thousands of pounds worth of damage, they rescue passengers by releasing the brake, if the lift car is in the upper part of the shaft it will roll upwards, which can leave the landing doors open at the floor it was rolled up from with the lift car above. So there is now a situation with landing doors open into an empty shaft which they do not check before leaving site. I have seen this on three separate occasions in public buildings, how no one has been killed is pure luck.

 

[Adam W]

They should also stay well clear of lifts, when they are not smashing the doors in with a sledgehammer (they have release keys) causing thousands of pounds worth of damage, they rescue passengers by releasing the brake, if the lift car is in the upper part of the shaft it will roll upwards, which can leave the landing doors open at the floor it was rolled up from with the lift car above. So there is now a situation with landing doors open into an empty shaft which they do not check before leaving site. I have seen this on three separate occasions in public buildings, how no one has been killed is pure luck.

Either that or receive further training to do it properly. If someone is stuck in a lift at the weekend you can't very well leave them there until Monday morning.

 

[elevate]

Either that or receive further training to do it properly. If someone is stuck in a lift at the weekend you can't very well leave them there until Monday morning.

That's what lift engineers are for, who are on call 24/7.

 

[trev]

Why is it that people who work on telecoms systems, heating systems, lifts and alarms are known generally as engineers.
They bloody are not! It boils me wee.

 

[elevate]

Lift engineers are not engineers ?

 

[Guest666]

Why is it that people who work on telecoms systems, heating systems, lifts and alarms are known generally as engineers.
They bloody are not! It boils me wee.

Hang on a minute. That guy who came over to repair my washing machine. Are you telling me he ain't no engineer?

 

[elevate]

Ever stripped a gear on a lift machine, Installed guide rails, roped a lift, changed bearings or tested a lift ?

 

[spark 68]

A person who designs, builds, or maintainsengines, machines, or structures.

Hang on a minute. That guy who came over to repair my washing machine. Are you telling me he ain't no engineer?

No!, lol it means we are all engineers now yay :conehead: :hurray:

 

[trev]

Whoosh!
WTF was that?
The sound of that post going completely over your heads!
At one time it was not a title that was dished out willy nilly to all and sundry and which used to command respect because everyone knew it had been legitimately earned. I do not class your average gas safe bloke as an engineer, nor do I class a bloke who installs and/or maintains alarms the same way. Nor a phone bloke, nor a bloke who only installs lifts.
At the very least, nowadays anyway, an engineer should be educated to degree level.

 

[tazz]

Well mine goes with the qualifications and status...

 

[shanky887614]

Whoosh!
WTF was that?
The sound of that post going completely over your heads!
At one time it was not a title that was dished out willy nilly to all and sundry and which used to command respect because everyone knew it had been legitimately earned. I do not class your average gas safe bloke as an engineer, nor do I class a bloke who installs and/or maintains alarms the same way. Nor a phone bloke, nor a bloke who only installs lifts.
At the very least, nowadays anyway, an engineer should be educated to degree level.

certain ones like charted engineer still is

 

[Guest666]

I have no issue with the term engineer as long as it is after what 'discipline' they are claiming to be an engineer in. Ie. Washing machine engineer, electrical engineer, fire alarm engineer etc etc???

 

[elevate]

Whoosh!
WTF was that?
The sound of that post going completely over your heads!
At one time it was not a title that was dished out willy nilly to all and sundry and which used to command respect because everyone knew it had been legitimately earned. I do not class your average gas safe bloke as an engineer, nor do I class a bloke who installs and/or maintains alarms the same way. Nor a phone bloke, nor a bloke who only installs lifts.
At the very least, nowadays anyway, an engineer should be educated to degree level.

Ah you mean a design engineer! Never seen one with oil, grease or dirt on their hands, they are more likely to tap keyboards, have a head full of regs and get quite lost when on site.

 

[trev]

I have no issue with the term engineer as long as it is after what 'discipline' they are claiming to be an engineer in. Ie. Washing machine engineer, electrical engineer, fire alarm engineer etc etc???

Electrical engineers usually have a degree in electrical engineering. I'm not aware of any degree in washing machine engineering.
Such nonsense cheapens the term

 

[tazz]

Trev has made a good point on what you class as an engineer

 

[shanky887614]

Electrical engineers usually have a degree in electrical engineering. I'm not aware of any degree in washing machine engineering.
Such nonsense cheapens the term

dont forget there are different levels of engineer and not all titles are protected

 

[tazz]

As we have seen in this thread, errors make by trainees, dictating BS without, course...!!