Fire Brigade advice

[tazz]

I think most are missing the point that this is a private dwelling, and as such you cannot force any house holder or owner to install smoke protection unless it is a new build. Over the years I have had so many arguments with local FB and luckily BC have backed me up every time. But as it stands, there is no enforcement to insist on a Part 6 install

 

[trev]

There - A place

 

[trev]

Hit. Nail and head Spring to mind. I don't believe that the Fb called for metal cu's for a moment. I imagine that the scheme's pushed for it because for them to do anything other than that would have meant that they were acknowledging that their Electrical Trainee experiment had failed dismally

Took the liberty of adding to your post mate.

 

[Guest666]

I am quite shocked that anyone would critiques any local FB for fitting FOC smoke detectors.

These same people would probably complain if the FB did install mains operated smoke alarms that the FB are not competant.

 

[R G]

Some of the elderly can't afford us to go in and fit mains powered smokes all linked up , so to see them with something has got be the best surely , FB are at least helping out where others aren't ...

If I ever do a job and see free smokes in place fitted by FB , I would never criticise whats been fitted , I would explain that there are other smokes available but thats all ...

 

[tazz]

Well this brings us to another discussion...are FB as fire fighters upto the job as risk assessors ...I think not...I have surveyed many public houses, built in 1700 & 1800, and constructed of brick & wood. We put forward a full fire alarm system to protect life Part 1, being a commercial building....FB gave them free smoke alarms and stated this was all that was required...BC ripped them apart and upheld our complaint...the public houses were forced to install a full fire alarm system to Part 1

 

[R G]

Well this brings us to another discussion...are FB as fire fighters upto the job as risk assessors ...I think not...I have surveyed many public houses, built in 1700 & 1800, and constructed of brick & wood. We put forward a full fire alarm system to protect life Part 1, being a commercial building....FB gave them free smoke alarms and stated this was all that was required...BC ripped them apart and upheld our complaint...the public houses were forced to install a full fire alarm system to Part 1

This is very true , but commercial and public buildings etc is a different ball game altogether ...

 

[tazz]

This is very true , but commercial and public buildings etc is a different ball game altogether ...

Exactly the point, and FB should be trained to the same standards, as risk assessors

 

[R G]

Having taken another look at the OP , IMO if the property was to be rented out then FB should not have got involved and advised accordingly ...

I didn't think this is what these free smokes were about ...

 

[tazz]

Private dwelling......I cannot come to your house and tell you to fit grade D detection, it is your property

 

[Octopus]

The FB 'Muppets' are not allowed to take old ones down even with the verbal permission of the home owner. FB 'Muppets are supplied with smoke detectors to put up, they can't recommend hardwired ones or any make. They may be Muppets in your eyes then hopefully your never need to be carried out of a burning building by one of these Muppets.

My point is that they leave faulty smoke alarms in properties, well past there dates as on the labels visible on the side.

They either do it right or not at all IMHO.

 

[tazz]

My point is that they leave faulty smoke alarms in properties, well past there dates as on the labels visible on the side.

They either do it right or not at all IMHO.

Very good point....but they will say its your responsibility as a home owner to check the dates

 

[davesparks]

My point is that they leave faulty smoke alarms in properties, well past there dates as on the labels visible on the side.

They either do it right or not at all IMHO.

Are you suggesting they should not fit smoke alarms if an existing one has exceeded its useable lifespan?
Is it really better to have no working smoke alarms than to have a non functional one left on the ceiling?
Maybe they should take the old ones down and fill the screw holes and paint the ceiling to cover the marks, or clean up the mess if the previous one was stuck up with a sticky pad?

 

[Newbyspark]

Think there is a bit of confusion over what happens in the fire service. Fire fighters have to go and fit smoke detectors in some households. We are given smokes to put up, usually 10 year ones. If there are any smokes already there but do not work we are not allowed to take them down because if a bit of plaster or something comes down with it we could be held liable to repair the ceiling. There is a department in most fire services that's called community fire safety. These are the people that will assess building's and I agree that not all of the people have the required knowledge, but they do the best they can with the training they are given and I also agree that this shouldn't happen. I also don't think that the fire service has much say on what consumer units should be installed.

 

[tazz]

My personal opinion....FB should keep their nose out, and stick to putting fires out...BC conform to BS5839 and approved document B, and as such have the final ruling