Fire Rated Downlights - FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest77]

Well I wouldn't keep on questioning Clive myself, one of the best Sparks on the forum, I would answer his OP Question, my answer is C, that said B would also work.

 

[Octopus]

Well I wouldn't keep on questioning Clive myself, one of the best Sparks on the forum, I would answer his OP Question, my answer is C, that said B would also work.

Thing is, when you work for yourself, often on your owm, sometimes you need to run things past others to get a check on what is best.

TBH if I don't work with this muppet again it won't be a problem!

Thanks guys

 

[Guest77]

Apologies if I have offended you mate, I wouldn't want the Mods to remove this thread because it was offensive.

 

[specs]

C with a covering e-mail . ( you can put all your concerns in e-mail and att a copy of mail with invoice) and let the plumber issue a cert. It's your rep on the line, not the plumbers, if it all goes t-ts up you are covered. you have stated on invoice + you have stated on e-mail. that's 2 warnings about going against manufacturers instructions (3 including the verbal ) get paid, put everything in a file and move on
. I am fortunate I work full time for a company, if I say it cannot be done the way they or the architects say they want it I always win and they have to have a rethink . If it goes against what you know is right, cover yourself at all costs. wish I could be of more help.

 

[Welchyboy1]

he likes to do as much as possible ....... himself

Well thats his problem them isnt it, how annoying

you should of cored the hole out for his waste pipe out on the other side of the room

 

[Octopus]

UPDATE:

PMSL

Just had a text asking me for my opinion about a LAP adjustable downlight!!!!!!

 

[Leesparkykent]

UPDATE:

PMSL

Just had a text asking me for my opinion about a LAP adjustable downlight!!!!!!

tell them to drop the L and add CR! Lol

 

[Adam W]

I'd go for C.
I agree with Des though - LED downlighters or GU10 LEDs are the way forward. From an electrician's point of view you don't get the problems with heat damage (the bane of my life atm) but it would be easier to sell to the client as reducing energy costs.
Either way if the downlighters are too close to the joists you can only put them in one way around due to the springs, which again can be a PITA.
Adjustable downighters are all good and well if they'll only ever be pointing in 'the right' direction.

Why does the client want them in the original positions? Is it down to preserving a pattern or for another reason?

 

[Octopus]

I'd go for C.
I agree with Des though - LED downlighters or GU10 LEDs are the way forward. From an electrician's point of view you don't get the problems with heat damage (the bane of my life atm) but it would be easier to sell to the client as reducing energy costs.
Either way if the downlighters are too close to the joists you can only put them in one way around due to the springs, which again can be a PITA.
Adjustable downighters are all good and well if they'll only ever be pointing in 'the right' direction.

Why does the client want them in the original positions? Is it down to preserving a pattern or for another reason?

the JCC ones can be "rotated" within the housing so it will always be in the right place!

 

[Adam W]

the JCC ones can be "rotated" within the housing so it will always be in the right place!

Oh 'fire rated' ones (just re-read the title).
Yes I suppose they would be.

 

[Delboybully]

The answer to this is easy. If this job was being done for your mother, what would you prefer the electriciain to put on the invoice a,b or c. Option D would be for the electrician to reply in the email from the customer his concerns.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I haven't read the whole thread Murdoch but I would go for C. Hopefully the client is a reasonable person and once you've explained the situation and given the facts they may agree with you. If they don't then send invoice and leave it. It's very frustrating thinking that there are many people doing this kind of work, but once you have voiced your opinion you have done all you can and should feel comfortable with that, otherwise you'll be cross quite a lot of the time!

 

[sparksburnout]

I can't imagine actually fitting halogen down lights now, they should be banned. Too costly to run, a fire hazard and LED's are so much better all round, it's not like they are that expensive these days.

 

[SJD]

I can't imagine actually fitting halogen down lights now, they should be banned. Too costly to run, a fire hazard and LED's are so much better all round, it's not like they are that expensive these days.

I agree, new installations should be LED now, perhaps we need the EU to introduce a ban on halogens for new installs.

Only yesterday, I was at a rental property sorting out half a dozen downlight faults in several rooms, 3 of them had burn-out plastic connection blocks and housings, in 2 cases I'd say it was lucky they'd not caught fire.

 

[Tidy Max]

Give the home owner a quote to move the boiler flue to underneath a window and see how the plumber reacts.