Fire system recommendations

[Ken_Johnson]

Thanks. Sorry, I should have been clear, I am now asking about a traditional house (i.e. not self contained flats) which will be a HMO - let individual rooms.

 

[tazz]

ok HMO will usually request heat/sounder in each room...Plus an individual mains smoke. Idea here is if a fire starts in the room, the mains smoke activates, alerting the occupants.....if the room is empty or fire is intense, the the F30 door will retain for 30 minutes, and the heat detector will activate all areas to evacuate the building.
How many rooms are there..?

 

[Ken_Johnson]

3 bedrooms on 1st floor, 4 on 2nd floor. Ground floor has 3 rooms which may or may not be used as bedrooms. 1 kitchen on ground floor. Cellar (not used as a bedroom).

 

[tazz]

Then you could zone each floor, 3 zones plus staircase zone....4 zones in total. Or method liked by BC, addressable panel showing text for each flat and area....1 loop panel would easily cover building, and would be easily run as one circuit

 

[Ken_Johnson]

1 zone for each floor seems easiest with a Kentec T series panel. What would you recommend in terms of smoke/heat detectors and sounders?

Did you say heat detector (not smoke) and sounder in each room with smoke in the hallways?

 

[tazz]

You will need Sav-wire bases with Kentec 2-wire, so apollo sav bases, with s65 detectors. Fulleon wafer base sounders, kac call points.
from the panel each room would require sounder base, sav base and s65 heat detector, landings entrance, use sav bases & s65 optical smokes. use roshni wall sounders here (base sounders are only for confined areas) Each level and entrance/exits will require call points.
Finally each room will require a separate mains smoke alarm.

Would recommend checking with BC when applying for hmo licence, as each council has different ideas.

 

[Ken_Johnson]

Do I have everything covered with the following?

PANEL - Kentec T11 (two wire):

Kentec Electronics Ltd. :: Sigma CP

Apollo Series 65 Sav Wire Base - 45681-206

Fire Detection Solutions, Apollo Fire Detectors Ltd - Series 65 Sav-Wire Base

Smoke - Apollo S65 optical smoke detector with magnetic test switch and LED - 55000-315

Cooper Fulleon Squashni Micro Base Sounder - for rooms

Fulleon Roshni Sounder, Red - ROLP-R with Shallow Base - for landings.

Call points - KAC Conventional Resettable Call Point 470 ohm - MCP1A-R470SF-01

Heat detector for kitchen - there are different heat detector classes listed (A1R, BR, CR, CS) - what do these mean?

 

[tazz]

All ok apart from optical smoke sensor, you don`t need magnetic test switch....so 55000-317 will be fine.
Heat detectors are set by temp rise of heat, ending in R....so A1R is 57 deg, BR is 75 deg & CR is 90 deg. Suggest you used A1R.
They detect rapid changes in heat.

 

[Ken_Johnson]

Great!

Is the LED light smoke worth getting for visual indication?

 

[tazz]

Your choice, not really needed in HMO, only required in Public buildings, toilets, schools and hotels

 

[Ken_Johnson]

Probably a daft question but in a HMO, how does one tell if a smoke is dodgy and needs replacing? If the system is divided by zone (1 zone per floor), would it just point to the relevant floor?

 

[tazz]

This is why maintenance is imported to test the system at least 2 a year. Im a bit worried that this install maybe a bit above your capabilities.

 

[Ken_Johnson]

Definitely! Not doing it on my lonesome but with an experienced colleague.

Just one more question - is there a SD I could use which has a sounder built in?

 

[tazz]

Definitely! Not doing it on my lonesome but with an experienced colleague.

Just one more question - is there a SD I could use which has a sounder built in?

Yes you could use Apollo Alarmsense equipment. still 2 wire connection. bases come with built in sounders and sounder/strobes.
Kentec also make an Alarmsense panel

 

[Ken_Johnson]

Good shout!

All the components seem to map across except that I don't need separate sounders:

Kentec Alarmsense panel - Sigma CP-A

Apollo AlarmSense Sounder Base - 46581-510 or beacon base 46581-509

Apollo AlarmSense Optical Detectors - 55000-390

Apollo AlarmSense Heat Detector (A1R) - 55000-190

Apollo AlarmSense Manual Call Point - 55000-894