First offerings of 'private' work

[JUD]

Hi JUD , never seen anything written down about this but certainly some people on here in the past have said it is a "joint responsibility" whether that is correct or not i wouldn't have a clue.

I agree. That's what I was getting at when I said you have a responsibility to make them aware of Part P (if they aren't already) and that they need to submit a building notice application. They then have a responsibility to submit the application.

(BTW JUD i have ordered that book you recommended and also the electrician's guide to the building regs - you never know, that might have the answer to the above question)

Some good info in that book. I've got the building regs one too. There's one on Fire Detection and Alarms aswell. That's not bad either.

Gonna get all the Guidance Notes aswell as soon as I've got the money.

 

[pushrod]

I agree. That's what I was getting at when I said you have a responsibility to make them aware of Part P (if they aren't already) and that they need to submit a building notice application. They then have a responsibility to submit the application.


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gotcha now!

(btw also ordered GN1 and GN3)

 

[JUD]

gotcha now!

(btw also ordered GN1 and GN3)

Got GN3. Just want the rest of em. Gonna try and get em all together.

Where you getting em from. I've seen em on Amazon for around £20 - £25 each. You know anywhere cheaper?

 

[lim88]

Hi, any idea on the approx charge for submitting a building notice application? and also where do you get them from? downloadable from Local Authority website?

Do you know if the charges are uniform across all LABCs or do they vary from one to another?

And is this assuming that you have already got on their competent persons register by showing/sending them copies of your qualifications? Thanks.

The approx charge depends on the overall cost of the work to be done, i'm not sure if the charges are uniform across all LABCs or not. The charges should be downloadable from Local Authority website, as they are from mine.

The charges from my LABC start at £64.63 for work with an estimated cost of less than £1000 and the cost changes for every £1000 more.

No these costs are the standard costs, going on the competent persons register just means they won't have to do a site visit to inspect your work.

I agree. That's what I was getting at when I said you have a responsibility to make them aware of Part P (if they aren't already) and that they need to submit a building notice application. They then have a responsibility to submit the application.

But surely if your not a member of NIC, Naptit, elecsa or any other you have the responsibility to ensure that a building notice application has been submitted, if not by anyone else by yourself. Otherwise your not complying with part p, right?

 

[pushrod]

Got GN3. Just want the rest of em. Gonna try and get em all together.

Where you getting em from. I've seen em on Amazon for around £20 - £25 each. You know anywhere cheaper?

pm sent.

 

[JUD]

The approx charge depends on the overall cost of the work to be done, i'm not sure if the charges are uniform across all LABCs or not. The charges should be downloadable from Local Authority website, as they are from mine.

The charges from my LABC start at £64.63 for work with an estimated cost of less than £1000 and the cost changes for every £1000 more.

No these costs are the standard costs, going on the competent persons register just means they won't have to do a site visit to inspect your work.



But surely if your not a member of NIC, Naptit, elecsa or any other you have the responsibility to ensure that a building notice application has been submitted, if not by anyone else by yourself. Otherwise your not complying with part p, right?

For an electrician, complying with Part P means carrying out the work to comply with the requirements of the building regulations and BS 7671.

You have a responsibility to make sure the customer is aware of the requirement to notify the LABC but the onus is on them to notify as it will be their name on the application.

 

[lim88]

But in everything I have read on this it states that if you are a qualified competent electrician but not registered with an approval body but can work on and certify all domestic installations to BS7671 then the LABC need to be notified before work starts and within 30 days of completion, failure to do this is a breach of the building regulations part P.

So it must be your responsibility to make sure this is actually done whether its you, the customer or anyone else that does it, as if it is not done you as the person carrying out the work are the one breaching part P.

And my LABC confirmed this when I called them to ask.

 

[JUD]

You are not breaching Part P, the customer is.

If you have informed the customer that they need to notify LABC before you can start work (perhaps get them to sign something) and they fail to do so it is they that are breaching Part P.

At the end of the day, who's to know that they've actually had any electrical work done. It's only when a house goes up for sale etc. or something goes wrong that it comes up and as long as your work meets the required standards, is safe and you have issued an EIC detailing the work you have done then you have complied with Part P.

It is a joint responsibility, the electrician's to inform the customer of the requirements and the customer's to notify IMO.

 

[lim88]

yeah you could cover yourself if the customer agrees to deal with building control and you have something signed by them stating that, that way you would be clear of any responsibility if it doesn't get done correctly. but if you only spoke to the customer about it and don't have something signed you could be held responsible too if part P is breached, as it would'nt be hard for the customer to say they have never heard of part P and you never mentioned it. right?

 

[JUD]

Exactly.

To me it's the same as any building work. You wouldn't blame a builder if a home owner failed to get planning permission for an extension.

As long as the work is up to scratch and you can sleep at night then all's well.

It is the customer that will have the problems when it comes to selling their home and somebody realises that they've had notifiable electrical work done and LABC have no record of it.

You've done your bit by making them aware of the requirements and issuing a cert.

 

[younghalf]

So does becoming 'Part P registered' mean certain works no longer require you/Or the customer to notify the LABC. I believe I've seen a list detailing which kinds of work are and are not allowed.
Would this mean the charges you talk about do not apply to certain works (as mentioned above) carried out by a part P registered tradesperson?

Until such a time, work can be carried out, but it must be reported to the LABC and may be subject to inspection during and/or on completion?

All this is for what would be classified for work in 'Domestic' premisis?

 

[JUD]

So does becoming 'Part P registered' mean certain works no longer require you/Or the customer to notify the LABC. I believe I've seen a list detailing which kinds of work are and are not allowed.
Would this mean the charges you talk about do not apply to certain works (as mentioned above) carried out by a part P registered tradesperson?

Until such a time, work can be carried out, but it must be reported to the LABC and may be subject to inspection during and/or on completion?

All this is for what would be classified for work in 'Domestic' premisis?

If you are registered with a Part P competent person scheme such as NICEIC or Elecsa then YOU no longer have to notify any work to LABC, this is done by your scheme provider.

You notify the scheme provider on completion of the work and they then notify LABC on your behalf.



If you are not 'Part P registered' then YOU have to notify certain work to LABC, usually work that involves the installastion of a new circuit or work carried out in a special location.

This usually comes with a fee of anywhere between £100 - £300 depending on where you live, where a scheme provider will only charge you a couple of quid for each notification (after you've given them your £400+ per year for your assessments of course )

 

[pushrod]

This really p****s me off I saw an advert yesterday with one of these private trainers saying become an elecrician in seven weeks! By the time i consider myself ready to go out and work in the public domain i will have done nearly two and a half years. Then with my experience and qualifications i will not be considered competent enough to put an outdoor socket in the garden or a light fitting in a bathroom !!!! unless i pay £400+ to a scheme provider or pay the council some gratuitous over the top fee for the privilege each time i want to do work that is notifiable.Yet the seven week guy can be doing anything he fancies as long as he has paid his £400 and gone thru some low key assessment from the provider on a piece of work of his choice!!

And yet (please correct me if i am wrong - i think i'd be pleased if i was) if i want to do commercial or industrial work with my 2330,2382 and a 2391 i am considered competent to do so without paying £400 to a scheme provider. It seems as if they are making domestic work a closed shop!!

I went on two local council websites last night and there was no mention of a competent persons register. But if i was a plumber or a central heating engineer or a member of BRE (who the heck are they?) along with the more usual napit, elecsa, niceic i could come and wire your house!!!

rant rant seeth grrr grrr

 

[ezzzekiel]

welcome to my world

 

[JUD]

this really p****s me off I saw an advert yesterday with one of these private trainers saying become an elecrician in seven weeks! By the time i consider myself ready to go out and work in the public domain i will have done nearly two and a half years. Then with my experience and qualifications i will not be considered competent enough to put an outdoor socket in the garden or a light fitting in a bathroom !!!! Unless i pay £400+ to a scheme provider or pay the council some gratuitous over the top fee for the privilege each time i want to do work that is notifiable.yet the seven week guy can be doing anything he fancies as long as he has paid his £400 and gone thru some low key assessment from the provider on a piece of work of his choice!!

And yet (please correct me if i am wrong - i think i'd be pleased if i was) if i want to do commercial or industrial work with my 2330,2382 and a 2391 i am considered competent to do so without paying £400 to a scheme provider. It seems as if they are making domestic work a closed shop!!

I went on two local council websites last night and there was no mention of a competent persons register. But if i was a plumber or a central heating engineer or a member of bre (who the heck are they?) along with the more usual napit, elecsa, niceic i could come and wire your house!!!

Rant rant seeth grrr grrr

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