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So about two months ago now, I got a call from a customer asking if I could do a few bits, "of course" I said. She asked for a rough price to change one pendant for two and install a new socket. I said roughly ÂŁ100 depending on RCD, Bonding, blah blah blah... and we arranged a date (about a week later) for me to go and price for the work. A day before I'm due to go round the customer phones to say someone has been round and quoted and she doesn't need me any more. Fair enuff.

About a month after her first call, I get another call from the same customer asking if I could pop round and give her a quote to do a few bits. Bit strange I thought but I arranged a date and this time wasn't binned off the job the day before so I got to go round and meet her this time. I arrive to find two pendants in place of one and a new socket added. She explains that the plasterer that had been round to make good the terribly shoddy work of the previous spark had refused to plaster over the gaping hole in the ceiling with only a bare connector block where the old pendant lived feeding the two new pendants. The guy hadn't even bothered to wrap it in tape! Wow I thought, hats off to the plasterer for actually knowing and refusing to go over it.

Anyway, I said for ÂŁ45 I'd stick in a maintenance free JB and bob's your uncle. We arranged a suitable time for me to go back round to do it and only then did she present me with what I could only call shocking work! She showed me the extra socket run in trunking and spurred from another, only the trunking came from the existing, stopped at a cupboard and came back out the other side to the new socket. Upon looking in the cupboard, The 2.5mm cable had been stretched across it like a banjo string!! Tight as anything, unsupported and just in the middle of the cupboard!

I said to her that there was no way on earth that the guy who has done this work is a qualified electrician! To which she replied "But he showed me his qualifications?!" as she showed me two pictures that he'd emailed to her of his quals, 2382 and 2391. Upon closer inspection however it was blatantly clear that they were forged! Just scanned in certs that he'd then used MS Paint to put on his details!!! The guy also claimed he was registered with Elecsa which upon further investigation turns out he's not registered with any of the scam schemes. I said to the customer that this guy should be reported not only for fraud by misrepresentation but also for carrying out notifiable works in a kitchen and not being registered and not a cert in sight! The customer was quite happy to do this and pretty much gave me free reign to do what I liked with regards to reporting this bloke.

The next day, I'm on the phone to LABC who have passed me on to trading standards. Apparently it has to go through TS before LABC deal with it? I phone TS and they appear to be very helpful and arranging a time for an officer to meet me at the premesis to assess the work and forged documents.

So a week or so later, I'm back at the house and am met by the customer and the TS bloke who has looked at the work and the dodgy quals, taken some photos and seems very eager to catch this guy! He made it very clear though that he would only be going after him for the fraud, and not the dodgy work as that was down to LABC. I fixed the dodgy work for the ÂŁ45 as agreed, and as a good will gesture sorted out the banjo string cable in the cupboard as well. It turns out that the original bloke had charged her ÂŁ45 to do the original work and was there for about 5 hours!!! I did make a point of saying to the customer that when you're only prepared to pay peanuts, you'll only get monkeys, to which she agreed.

The next day I'm back on the phone to LABC, tell them what's happening and am basicly met by the reply, "Although we are responsible for enforcement where dangerous work has taken place and/or work doesn't comply with the building regs, we don't actually carry out enforcement"!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I asked why and they just said "Because we just don't"!?!?!?!

Anyway, to bring this story to a close, the customer had contacted the original guy for a refund and been quite rudely refused. This I then sorted out for her by contacting the scamster directly telling him exactly what's what, reg for reg, law for law, word for word. The customer told me the next day by text that she woke up to ÂŁ45 on her hallway floor! Problem 1 solved! However, what really riles and frustrates me about this whole episode isn't the scamster electrician, isn't the dangerous work, nor the forged quals. The thing that really makes me proper mad is the fact that LABC were about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike!!! No enforcement my a**!!!!

Why on earth are we paying such extortionate amounts of money to these scam schemes! These so called official and government approved bodies, when LABC won't bother with enforcement when people aren't even registered as required by the building act!!!!!! I gotta hand it to Trading Standards though as he was keen as mustard to catch this bloke and has promised to update me when he does

My main point though is that I'm so livid about this whole thing. Makes me seriously, and I mean 'seriously' consider giving up paying my scam scheme coz what's the point???? Nothings gonna happen to me if I'm not registered!!! Why bother?!?!?
 
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I am a law-abiding citizen in his 40's who is getting sick to the back teeth if I'm honest.... I have paid my taxes and been a good boy since 16 years old when I started my apprenticeship. I am part P registered in order to do things properly, and these scum-bags lie, steal and cheat their way through life and nobody does a damn thing about it. It's like watching the traffic cop programs where some retard speeds through a town centre at 100mph until he crashes into a wall and the police give him a warning for not stopping, yet you hit 45mph in a 40 zone and instant fine/points.
Grumpy old man....you bet.
If i could make music like you i wouldn't give a sh**!
 
Got my half scam day soon anything you want me to ask him

Yeah, ask him what the maximum Ze on a TT system is, and if he doesn't know the answer, like mine didn't, then shoot him!

Had to pull the OSG out when I was with mine, not only to correct him but also to use as something to bite down hard on to prevent me throwing him out the window!
 
Un bloody real, gggrrrr!
Makes me so bloody angry, myself& my business partner newly set up, still getting commercial of old contacts but newly moved into domestic(as ya may tell due to my many posts lately but at least im making the effort to make sure its right ;-)) & trying to do everything right as electrics should be, wev been updating our quals(17th) im getting set to do my testing (know how to test but would like a much better understanding & the qual for it) napit reg process under way, all insurances etc & then 2 bit idiots can get away with crap like that & the reason being in the first instance is because miss jones will let anyone have a go if they are cheaper. Makes me mad, in my opinion of all the trades ours is the potentially more dangerous as you dont know theres a prob until something goes wrong yet its the one most are happy to have a go at. Im a spark i wont touch plumbing, im not trained quite simple!
 
I whinged about it to my last scam inspector - why they don't police it, and he said it's not their job to, it's the LABC's but everybody knows that they don't have the time money or expertise to do it. And he even went so far as to say that in his opinion, the majority of 'old school' sparks that whinge about part p do so because actually they're not very good sparks!!!! Bloody cheek of it, but I kept quiet and got on with the half day.
 
Posted a similar story about NICEIC not wanting to know about one of their own dodgy electricians.
Elecsa called me yesterday to postpone my assesment in two weeks time, funnily enough they said they wouldn't pay me ÂŁ200 for cancelling within two weeks of my appointment the same as if I'd cancelled on them. My assessor is going to be asked all sorts of awkward questions as to why the hell I should bother. Poor chap.
 
Did anyone see the TV prog the other evening about London streets from 1840 to present day.....well there was a bloke who had bought up property after property until he owned loads. He admitted on TV that he builds first and then applies for planning if he gets caught. He put another floor on a row of 3 story flats and in another place put 5 rooms underneath another of his shops. Most of the rooms had no ventilation or outside light. All of this he was happy to talk about because he had never been prosecuted even though he had enforcement orders served on him regularly. Building regs.....he has no idea what they were.

Don't get me started!!!!!!!!
 

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