Full Certificate and Minor Works Certificates

[Mattyi26]

Hi All,

Not posted on here for a few years! I have a question that i hope someone can clarify.

I need help understanding the differences between a full cert and a minor, correct me if im wrong a minor is for jobs that are non notifiable and full for special locations and notifiable works. So if i carry out both notifiable works and minor do i fill out both?
Can i do it any other way?

I recently joined Stroma and in the process of setting up my e-cert software so if anyone can tell me what they think of it?, Ihave done 2 jobs since registering which have both been consumer unit upgrades to 17th amend 3 and have used the generic IET certs hand written But How do i fill this out if just doing for example;

Adding 1 extra circuit in a special location;

Full cert with all 5 pages filled out? With the page schedule of test results only containing the 1 extra circuit i have added? How far do i go with the check sheets? Everything or anything that does not comply to current regs/amendment do i record on it?

If anyone can explain how they do it regarding different types of jobs?

Hope ive explained myself properly but cant find a simple answer on this!

Thanks in advance

Matt

 

[davesparks]

Being notifiable under part P has no bearing on the type of certificate you issue. Part P and its notifications is completely separate from bs7671 and its certificates.

An alteration to one existing circuit requires a minor works, alteration to multiple circuits or installation of a new circuit requires an EIC

 

[sparksburnout]

Didn't you cover all this in your inspection and testing course?

 

[Risteard]

alteration to multiple circuits ... requires an EIC

Or multiple MEIWCs.

It's funny that he has "joined Stroma" but doesn't understand what certificates are required though!

 

[Mattyi26]

Thats why im asking as im unsure if im filling out exactly what is needed or not? Am i not doing enough or am i doing to much for what is required?

 

[davesparks]

Or multiple MEIWCs.

It's funny that he has "joined Stroma" but doesn't understand what certificates are required though!

In theory yes, but there comes a point where that becomes ridiculous to the point of absurdity.

 

[davesparks]

Didn't you cover all this in your inspection and testing course?

Or apprenticeship even

 

[Risteard]

In theory yes, but there comes a point where that becomes ridiculous to the point of absurdity.

Of course it may not be the best solution, but it is permissible.

 

[Mattyi26]

So am i not doing the certs correctly?

 

[Pete999]

Or multiple MEIWCs.

It's funny that he has "joined Stroma" but doesn't understand what certificates are required though!

Or a MNWC with multiple circuits

 

[Pete999]

In theory yes, but there comes a point where that becomes ridiculous to the point of absurdity.

Think that's where the word SCAM comes from Dave, if you can join with not knowing which cert to issue, it's a sad day at the office. IMO anyway

 

[telectrix]

O{. it's pretty simple really. if all you are doing is altering or extending an existing circuit, use a MWC. anything more, then it's a full EIC, what's difficult about that?

 

[Risteard]

Or a MNWC with multiple circuits

I'm not really sure what you mean by that one unless it's that NAPIT invention of a multiple circuit Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate. There certainly isn't one like that in the BS7671 Model Forms.

 

[telectrix]

I'm not really sure what you mean by that one unless it's that NAPIT invention of a multiple circuit Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate. There certainly isn't one like that in the BS7671 Model Forms.

true, but a MWC only needs to be based on that shown in BS7671 and a single MWC for alterations to 2 or 3 circuits is, IMO, acceptable.

 

[Pete999]

I'm not really sure what you mean by that one unless it's that NAPIT invention of a multiple circuit Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate. There certainly isn't one like that in the BS7671 Model Forms.

http://elecsa.co.uk/Documents/Public-Documents/Contractors/BS7671-Amd1-Minor-Works-Certificate-(1).aspx

Think thats the one