fuseboard change

[Sintra]

I work for a NICEIC firm and am a QS although i do disagree with the whole QS thing. We also have install guys who 1st and 2nd fix and then the job gets tested. We work on a system were the tester will visit site at different stages of the installation and do the appropriate tests at the correct time. Another measure that we have enforced is that the install guys do not get supplied with any main switches for the DB's so in theory these installations can not be energised. The guy testing the installation brings and fits the main switch, connects tails and energises once all the dead testing is completed. This seems to work ok for us but probably costs a few quid to enforce. Just another point we only permit a person with QS status to carry out the testing no matter how small a job it is even minor works.

 

[Amp David]

Fair enough

 

[m25maintenance]

mate never quote over the phone. always insist on doing a quick survey b4 cu change, the reason is to find hidden faults that will show up after u done the job, ex borrowed neutrals, rcd will trip. can be a long process finding. so step 1 go to the property, 2 do a bit of investigation. step 3 quote. if ur new go on a few jobs with another spark for free and learn hands on. it will pay in the long term. rome wasn't built in a day

 

[electricAl]

just to clarify on here that i am an electrician. i change fuseboards almost every day at work. i work in rewire squads. the way we work is that the rewire squads go in and rewire/upgrade the house then the testers come in and do the required testing. the reason i posted this question is that i am not 100 percent certain on the certification side of things as i do not have my inspection and testing certificate. surely its better to ask this question on a forum rather than just go do a job if i am not 100 percent certain? after all it is a forum......

So to summarise your previous posts...

a) You fit `fuseboards` on a daily basis, but others do the testing
b) You`ve no Inspection & Testing qualifications, & not familiar with certification
c) You`ve passed a 17th Edition exam, which would have included the requirement to I & T all installation work
d) You`re wanting to install Consumer Units for Joe Public (as foreigners?)
e) You want to be more competitive by ommitting testing & certificates if the customer doesn`t request them

That a fair summary?

 

[Amp David]

If you give advice on the forum, I think you get a cut of the cost for doing the swap

 

[dynamite2000]

sound thanx for tht pal i didn,t no if you had to join a group or not . while i,m here have you done 2391 yet are or you upto testing standards yet cheers mate..if yes or no , my question is can you do a R1 + R2 test while the board is live at the board itself. ??

 

[malcolmsanford]

Your R1 + R2 is a dead test. If your installing a new circuit to an existing board I would do the test before I connected up.

If you doing a R1+R2 on a PIR then you need to disconnect the LINE from the protection device and croc clip that and the earh bar. Then do your test at each point.

Bottom line is that doing a dead test on a live CU is not allowed in the EAWR or the ESQCR and is advised against in most Electrical safety literature. Of course all us experienced sparks never work live!!

 

[dynamite2000]

i agree totally its just the firm i am working for the QS said i can do mr R1 + R2 at the board i didnt question him as i had only just started nd i didnt no if he didn,t no his job or he was just trying to catch me out. ?????, cheers all the same pal. one last question.in the niceic test sheets its says in column circuit impedences. at least one of these must be completed. well how can that be possible if the circuits can,t be isolted when i am in a shopping outlet.

 

[IQ Electrical]

I think you mean the R1+R2 column and the R2 column, really, if you're actually testing now, and competent to do so, you should know the answer to your question.

You can agree limitations with your client on circuits that cannot be isolated etc.
The more limitations, the less value the report has.

You need to obtain Guidance Note 3 and have a good read, this is basic testing theory.

 

[gregorabbott]

didnt want to ommit anything. thats why i came on here first. to seek advice. personally i wouldnt take the chance of cutting corners to be more competative. you are correct on a, b, c and d. but i wont be carrying out d until i have my inspection and testing so i know how to fill out test sheets correctly.

 

[telectrix]

now that's one of the most sensible posts from a " newbie " that i have read so far

 

[dynamite2000]

if you re in a monsoon ladies clothes shop in middle of york it is impossible to isolate supply .!.. so how can niceic say in them columns that one column must be completed.. ????? . were do you go from there then .. are you in niceic by any chance,

 

[Sintra]

Arrange for the testing and inspecting to be done out of hours. Take it this is PIR we are talking about.

 

[WayneL]

if you re in a monsoon ladies clothes shop in middle of york it is impossible to isolate supply .!.. so how can niceic say in them columns that one column must be completed.. ????? . were do you go from there then .. are you in niceic by any chance,

You don't need to measure either on a PIR.

The questions that you are asking, I can't believe they're letting you loose in a shopping center with a meter.




This thread is getting worse.

 

[dynamite2000]

yes it is.. but impossible when you work for a big firm and they want one a day doin. but my point is how can you do it wen it is impossible to shut down and you cant do em at night coz of security but niceic sheets say,s one column must be completed,???. very strange