Fusing down the oven.

Piratepete · Apr 22, 2014

Hi Guys.
Just done a rewire which includes a 32 Amp 6mm cooker supply to a cooker outlet point via the usual isolator + socket.

This is only being used for an oven which turns out to be 2.7 Kw, with an HR 1.5mm flex requiring a 13 Amp fuse.

Would it be acceptable to change the outlet point to an FCU (which will be hidden behind the oven)? Guess that's no worse than having a hidden plug and socket! Not quite sure whether 6mm cores will fit in a FCU, but I'm always willing to try!
Cheers.
Pete

Engineer54 · Apr 23, 2014

telectrix said:
THE PROBLEM IS THAT OLS CHESTNUT " MANUFACTURERS INSTRUCTIONS". IF YOU DON'T FUSE IT DOWN TO 13a, THEY CAN DISCLAIM RESPONSIBILITY IF AND WHEN IT GOES WRONG.

They can always try, it'll hold no water.... As i said the BS 1362 fuse is to protect the cable/cord of the appliance, NOT the appliance/equipment itself!! Could always ask them what they would recommend for the same unit being installed in say France or Germany!!! That'll be an interesting answer to hear, if the same question is asked in a court of law?? lol!!

telectrix · Apr 23, 2014

totally agree. it's same as the 3A fuse in bathroom fan. the problem arises in court " you did not install it to manufacturers instructions" even if said instructions are stupid.

Engineer54 · Apr 23, 2014

telectrix said:
totally agree. it's same as the 3A fuse in bathroom fan. the problem arises in court " you did not install it to manufacturers instructions" even if said instructions are stupid.

Ask them the same question, ....What is the manufacturers instructions given to those installations where this same bathroom fan is installed in Europe?? Can't come up with a 3A fuse can they??!!!!! lol!!

wozz · Apr 23, 2014

therein lies the problem, who wants to go to court for a new oven? i know my customers wouldn't have wanted to and i do not want to, so install as they say for a easy life.

Engineer54 · Apr 24, 2014

Never known a case to go that far. It's normally the manufacturers service agents that try all this smart arse stuff out, with the chopping of moulded plugs and the like.... If an appliance has been connected to the electrical supply by a qualified electrician, in a manner that fully complies to BS 7671, then the manufactures ''will'' back down, as they have absolutly nowhere to go.
Apart from the fact that it wouldn't be in the companies brand names best interests on several counts, to allow such cases to even come close to a court hearing ...

Down to you, if you are willing to let a service agent deny you and/or your customers consumers Statutory Rights!! Buggered if i ever would!!

wozz · Apr 24, 2014

I agree with you I don't doubt it for a second, but arguing with the service agent how evert get may be doesn't get the cooker / hob fixed in the short term, the customer won't care who's fault it is they just want to cook! Even if the manuf did back down eventually I still can't see a customer being over joyed. I've wired up some beasts of cookers and hobs and the cost of them was frightening, I would adhere to manuf instructions as Long as they were inline with 7671 as coving the cost of the item even in the short term or to have the possibility of that hanging over me was not a option. If that meant waiting a day or so for some 6 or 10mm H07 then so be it, if your self employed there enough to loose sleep over without adding to it!

Hats off off to those who have the time and energy to fight their corner, but that wasn't for me.