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Just a quick post after reading about the super rods.

As electricians we are genrally well paid .

But i read a lot of posts about how you can make an r2 trail lead from singles and save ÂŁ40 . how we can get cheaper rods at screwfix, cheap programmes for printing electrical certs.
Cheap business cards from vista print

Etc Etc


Surely if you turn up to quote for contracts in battered up estates/vans with makeshift tools and issue poor looking certs . Then surely you send out an image that you dont care and have little pride.

You may be the best electrician around, but image is the 1st impression.

Ok if you are recomended then they will accept you reguardless.

And i know it is a recession so money is tight but sometimes cutting costs if false economy:cool:
 
Well what a load of rubbish by the OP. What exactly is wrong with making up a long lead? It is a tool. It needs to be a) long and b) continuous. Those are the only two qualities it requires. Who cares what it looks like? We can all buy lovely shiny things but they will all have an inch thick coating of plaster in a week, so whats the point? I don't know anybody who bought a long lead from a shop, and to be honest if anyone I worked with turned up with one, they would have 'mug' stamped on their head for the rest of the week.

What exactly is wrong with cheaper rods for light, domestic use? Super rods are wildly expensive for what is effectively a few glorified tent poles. I will probably get a few sets when I'm at the top of my game, but people like me, durham and many others on this forum are just starting up, and considering we are just house bashing for the time being, the cheap set will do just fine.

I print my certificates straight from the PDFs on the ELECSA website. They are black and white. I staple them together and use carbon paper. Crucially, they have spaces for me to record relevant information. I have never had a customer say 'hmm, these certificates are a bit bland looking. I was going to mount this above the fireplace, but now I wouldn't even frame it in the bog.' Who cares?

I print my own cards directly. I also do all my own adverts. Mind you, I did work as a graphic designer for a bit. My cards are every bit as good as one from a printer, but cost me next to nothing to produce. My adverts are infinitely better than anything any company round here could offer me, and cost me precisely sod all. I also did my own vehicle decals which, while the back window one is top, the side decals aren't that great. That said, they are certainly better than nothing.

On the subject of vehicles, I use a 94 clio for work. It is clean and tidy, I have ground out the rust and resprayed where I ground, and now it is very shiny. The car cost ÂŁ180, the primer cost a quid, the paint cost three quid, and putting it all together cost me a lazy afternoon. I also got some roofbars for free off freecycle. It is more than I need right now, and suits me down to the ground. We would all love to go and buy brand new transits before even registering with a scheme, but we are not all that well off, mad or both.

As durham said - I turn up on time, with bright eyes and clean hair. I am polite to the customers, and build a little relationship with them. I also give reasonable quotes. This blows them away to start with, because they were expecting an arrogant know-it-all who would charge the earth to move a lightswitch. I do a good job, am neat and tidy, and am friendly and personable with the customers. This gets me repeat work. If I have the opportunity to use cheaper goods that are of decent quality, I will do. I have used Wylex, Crabtree (exactly the same by the way) squareD and MK boards, as well as Newlec, Castlec and several other low-priced boards. The only one I have had a problem with was newlec, but to be honest I found the cheaper boards on the whole easier to work with that Wylex/Crabtree, and I find MK sentry to be exceedingly annoying. Using cheaper stuff benefits me and the customer, as they get a little off, and I make a little more. I also get non-17th boards cheaply from the markets and convert them. Again saving money.

I don't want to offend you but I have always been under the impression that people who just throw money at things and rely on big brand names, instead of using a little ingenuity and shopping around for something that suits them are dull, unimaginative, pig headed and a bit naive.
 
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Well what a load of rubbish by the OP. What exactly is wrong with making up a long lead? It is a tool. It needs to be a) long and b) continuous. Those are the only two qualities it requires. Who cares what it looks like? We can all buy lovely shiny things but they will all have an inch thick coating of plaster in a week, so whats the point? I don't know anybody who bought a long lead from a shop, and to be honest if anyone I worked with turned up with one, they would have 'mug' stamped on their head for the rest of the week.

What exactly is wrong with cheaper rods for light, domestic use? Super rods are wildly expensive for what is effectively a few glorified tent poles. I will probably get a few sets when I'm at the top of my game, but people like me, durham and many others on this forum are just starting up, and considering we are just house bashing for the time being, the cheap set will do just fine.

I print my certificates straight from the PDFs on the ELECSA website. They are black and white. I staple them together and use carbon paper. Crucially, they have spaces for me to record relevant information. I have never had a customer say 'hmm, these certificates are a bit bland looking. I was going to mount this above the fireplace, but now I wouldn't even frame it in the bog.' Who cares?

I print my own cards directly. I also do all my own adverts. Mind you, I did work as a graphic designer for a bit. My cards are every bit as good as one from a printer, but cost me next to nothing to produce. My adverts are infinitely better than anything any company round here could offer me, and cost me precisely sod all. I also did my own vehicle decals which, while the back window one is top, the side decals aren't that great. That said, they are certainly better than nothing.

On the subject of vehicles, I use a 94 clio for work. It is clean and tidy, I have ground out the rust and resprayed where I ground, and now it is very shiny. The car cost ÂŁ180, the primer cost a quid, the paint cost three quid, and putting it all together cost me a lazy afternoon. I also got some roofbars for free off freecycle. It is more than I need right now, and suits me down to the ground. We would all love to go and buy brand new transits before even registering with a scheme, but we are not all that well off, mad or both.

As durham said - I turn up on time, with bright eyes and clean hair. I am polite to the customers, and build a little relationship with them. I also give reasonable quotes. This blows them away to start with, because they were expecting an arrogant know-it-all who would charge the earth to move a lightswitch. I do a good job, am neat and tidy, and am friendly and personable with the customers. This gets me repeat work. If I have the opportunity to use cheaper goods that are of decent quality, I will do. I have used Wylex, Crabtree (exactly the same by the way) squareD and MK boards, as well as Newlec, Castlec and several other low-priced boards. The only one I have had a problem with was newlec, but to be honest I found the cheaper boards on the whole easier to work with that Wylex/Crabtree, and I find MK sentry to be exceedingly annoying. Using cheaper stuff benefits me and the customer, as they get a little off, and I make a little more. I also get non-17th boards cheaply from the markets and convert them. Again saving money.

I don't want to offend you but I have always been under the impression that people who just throw money at things and rely on big brand names, instead of using a little ingenuity and shopping around for something that suits you are dull, unimaginative, pig headed and a bit naive.


rocker , what do u want me to do react , it was my view but you seem to think its a personal attack,,, lets leave it there , otherwise more people will get banned, its my view and im entitled to it
 
I don't want to offend you but I have always been under the impression that people who just throw money at things and rely on big brand names, instead of using a little ingenuity and shopping around for something that suits you are dull, unimaginative, pig headed and a bit naive.

If you don't want to offend why make the comment you have

I think you need to change your impression.

I've been in this game long enough to know when to throw money at things and when not to
Yes I DO use Super Rods as currently it has worked out cheaper than buying 2-3 cheap sets every year
I use Waku step ladders one of my current set are 25 years old and cost ÂŁ580 back then, it works out alot cheaper than ÂŁ100 a year I was paying for cheap throw away ladders before I got them

Yes I also have alot of cheap tools both bought and made by myself that work and have served me well for years

If I can repair customers equipment cheaply and it's a viable repair I will rather than replace it

So I don't agree with your comment
 
If you don't want to offend why make the comment you have

I think you need to change your impression.

I've been in this game long enough to know when to throw money at things and when not to
Yes I DO use Super Rods as currently it has worked out cheaper than buying 2-3 cheap sets every year
I use Waku step ladders one of my current set are 25 years old and cost ÂŁ580 back then, it works out alot cheaper than ÂŁ100 a year I was paying for cheap throw away ladders before I got them

Yes I also have alot of cheap tools both bought and made by myself that work and have served me well for years

If I can repair customers equipment cheaply and it's a viable repair I will rather than replace it

So I don't agree with your comment
well said that man
 
Eddie, I ain't trying to provoke a reaction, mate, that ain't the way I roll. It is my opinion though and I think I'm entitled to it. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but you seem to be under the impression that it ends there, and that because you are enitled to it, then it must be the be-all and end-all. And please don't be under the impression that Durham was barred for arguing with you - he was barred for swearing and that bar has been lifted as it was obvious he was provoked. Until you are a moderator please do not threaten me with banning.

I don't particularly want to have a barney with anyone, but I do think that all this 'oh it's my opinion' stuff doesnt apply to personally insulting people and calling them a cowboy. Anyone who did not see the original deleted post can't really comment but it is certainly MY opinion that it was bear-baiting and designed to provoke a reaction. I'm sorry if this is not the case but that is certainly what it looked like to me. That said, if any mods do think that I am trying to pick a fight, I will be more than happy to take down these posts.
 
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Chaps....what is it with everyone lately......this a friendly forum for people to give advice and ait their views on all things electrical.

Please lets just get on with each other.


Cheers.
 
eddie, i ain't trying to provoke a reaction, mate, that ain't the way i roll. It is my opinion though and i think i'm entitled to it. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but you seem to be under the impression that it ends there, and that because you are enitled to it, then it must be the be-all and end-all. And please don't be under them impression that durham was barred for arguing with you - he was barred for swearing and that bar has been lifted as it was obvious he was provoked. Until you are a moderator please do not threaten me with banning.

That said, if any mods do think that i am trying to pick a fight, i will be more than happy to take down these posts.

just leave it . Its obvious that u and durham are pals, ive said my peace ....
 
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