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[Midwest]

I'm not sure as to how it all started, I believe that some important MP or similar's relations got injured whilst working at home, which prompted an investigation, and wholesale changes in who or what type of persons would be allowed to carry out electrical work in the home, resulting in all these knee jerk reactions, grateful for some background information.

It is one of those urban myths, if you look at the timeline of events;

Was Part P Introduced Following the Death of MP's Daughter? | Tradeskills4u

Time has a way of twisting the truth and since Part P was introduced a number of rumours have been going around as to why. The main one that most people in the industry believe to be true is that Part P was introduced and rushed through the parliamentary process because an MP’s daughter was...

www.tradeskills4u.co.uk

 

[Pete999]

It is one of those urban myths, if you look at the timeline of events;

Was Part P Introduced Following the Death of MP's Daughter? | Tradeskills4u

Time has a way of twisting the truth and since Part P was introduced a number of rumours have been going around as to why. The main one that most people in the industry believe to be true is that Part P was introduced and rushed through the parliamentary process because an MP’s daughter was...

www.tradeskills4u.co.uk

Thank you Midwest

 

[Intoelectrics]

Years back, certainly when I started as a lad, being an electrician was a privileged trade in that they were respected all by other trades because to become an "electrician" back then meant you had to have a good aptitude, you had a brain and you were prepared to study and learn for a long period of time working as a mate/apprentice until you had enough experience & qualifications to be regarded as an "electrician".
I know folk who have completed the short courses and are great electricians, but in general I'm not sure whether the introduction of the "fast track" approach has diminished the integrity of being an electrician somewhat?

The fast track approach is common throughout these days. there are fast track courses for pretty much anything. A friend of mine works for the NHS, she is director of something or another where she is responsible for the management of the recruitment of surgeons, doctors and consultants. She is being put under pressure to recruit "fast track" qualified medical staff, mainly because they are cheaper! she says it can be quite worrying as some of these "medical professionals" have almost no experience and are dealing with life and death situations.

 

[gazdkw82]

Fast Track is newspeak for Cheap and Nasty / Quick and dirty. Call it what it is, you still get what you pay for.

I think if they are used a springboard to further training then it's ok. I technically did a level 2 fast track course but then enrolled onto a level 3 apprenticeship on the back of it.

Some folks just get the level 2/3 fast track and go out and start installing.

 

[Baddegg]

What’s the point in this thread?......stop judging others and get on with ya life!

 

[gazdkw82]

What’s the point in this thread?......stop judging others and get on with ya life!

We are not judging anyone specifically but making an honest observation on the situation within the trade as we see it.

This thread isn't stopping me from getting on with my life.

 

[Bobster]

What’s the point in this thread?......stop judging others and get on with ya life!

I think @Pete just wants to work out the timeline from when the only way into the electrical trade was a full term apprenticeship, to having multiple routes, college for 1 or 2 years, short courses etc...

I couldn't honestly say, I believe multiple options have been around for probably longer than I imagine them to have been.

It's also good to keep up to date in what qualifications are now required. The C&G numbers, and requirements seem to change every couple of years. An threads on how to become an electrician pop up on here almost every day.

 

[Baddegg]

Sorry @gazdkw82 i don’t see it that way, these threads seem to me that people feel they have the right to decide wether the route someone else has taken is correct or not?......I’m a time served carpenter (3rd generation) at this moment I’m building stairs from scratch, no easy task but I wouldn’t judge anyone for wanting to learn how to hang a door or fit skirting, easy tasks that really don’t require years of study and practice.....let’s face it domestic electrical works are not that tricky

 

[gazdkw82]

Sorry @gazdkw82 i don’t see it that way, these threads seem to me that people feel they have the right to decide wether the route someone else has taken is correct or not?......I’m a time served carpenter (3rd generation) at this moment I’m building stairs from scratch, no easy task but I wouldn’t judge anyone for wanting to learn how to hang a door or fit skirting, easy tasks that really don’t require years of study and practice.....let’s face it domestic electrical works are not that tricky

We are not judging the route they have chosen but have concerns about what they can legally do afterwards

 

[Baddegg]

We are not judging the route they have chosen but have concerns about what they can legally do afterwards

Why? We all know what they can legally do afterwards......design install inspect and test electrical installations in a domestic capacity...assuming they took the 2394/95 or 2391 and have joined a scheme to notify any works within part p...

 

[gazdkw82]

Why? We all know what they can legally do afterwards......design install inspect and test electrical installations in a domestic capacity...assuming they took the 2394/95 or 2391 and have joined a scheme to notify any works within part p...

Because they are not a competent person. Competent (skilled) person requires experience.

 

[Baddegg]

Because they are not a competent person. Competent (skilled) person requires experience.

Whose not competent?

 

[gazdkw82]

Someone who has completed a short electrical course.

How can they be competent?

 

[Pete999]

What’s the point in this thread?......stop judging others and get on with ya life!

I have bo intention of judging others Baddegg, the point of my thread was / is to understand how and why the influx of Short ( if you like boil in the bag courses) has reached the proportions they have. I for one understand that Apprenticeships as I knew them are mostly history.
Like I said, in my opening post, there are many very good Electricians who have taken this short route, you can't really judge anyone or any thing without speaking with them or seeing how they work, the point of my thread, as I said is to understand how and why it has happened.
Judgement was and is never on my agenda. Personally, probably due to age I don't like this fast route, it goes against all I know, it's not going to change, yes if you like I have a bee in my bonnet about it, so I personally will live with that, does that make me judgemental? no I don't think it does.
If you see it differently, then that's your prerogative, my interests are purely how and why, if people who answer my question, openly and honestly, are perceived by you as judgmental then that's between you and them, please don't derail what is an interesting debate.

 

[Baddegg]

Someone who has completed a short electrical course.

How can they be competent?

Quite a broad statement that gaz....