Good Old Delroy, he gets all the best Jobs :)

[Dustydazzler]

 

[DPG]

Your tails wouldn't be acceptable if they met the criteria, then they would be, obviously.

Exactly - obviously. Nailed it.

 

[Dave OCD]

Just out of interest, how would you wire an outside socket without passing a cable through the wall from inside to out - and even in a bungalow no one in their right mind would run a cable right down the wall outside in a conduit from the loft when there's a nicely placed existing 'back to back' socket inside.

 

[mainline]

Just out of interest, how would you wire an outside socket without passing a cable through the wall from inside to out - and even in a bungalow no one in their right mind would run a cable right down the wall outside in a conduit from the loft when there's a nicely placed existing 'back to back' socket inside.

According to Mike, you can't, it's unacceptable.

In reality, you would drill a hole at a slight angle to the outside world.

 

[Dave OCD]

Always have gone slightly downhill from inside to out, and always try to do the last inch or two without the hammer action, gives a nice clean hole, just like @HappyHippyDad and his electric bog.

 

[DPG]

According to Mike, you can't, it's unacceptable.

In reality, you would drill a hole at a slight angle to the outside world.

Again, that's a different scenario. Obviously you may have to get a cable through the wall, as you would a gas pipe etc . It is not the same as chucking several feet of loose T&E in a cavity to save chasing it!

 

[mainline]

Again, that's a different scenario. Obviously you may have to get a cable through the wall, as you would a gas pipe etc . It is not the same as chucking several feet of loose T&E in a cavity to save chasing it!

A bit of a joke really isn't it.

It seems that it's Ok for instance a 110mm fan pipe to bridge the gap as well as the dozens of ties, water, gas, etc etc but not a bit of cable.

 

[Mike Johnson]

A controlled penetration like a fan pipe compared to metres of cable flapping around loose in a cavity is not a comparison, but you carry on wriggling and finding excuses, eventually you will find someone that will agree with you and then you may, just may believe it your self.

 

[DPG]

A bit of a joke really isn't it.

It seems that it's Ok for instance a 110mm fan pipe to bridge the gap as well as the dozens of ties, water, gas, etc etc but not a bit of cable.

You already admitted earlier (post 528) that cables shouldn't bridge cavities. I'm not sure why you keep returning to the same point.

 

[westward10]

And Delroy carries on blissfully unaware of the carry on he is causing on here

 

[7029 dave]

Again, that's a different scenario. Obviously you may have to get a cable through the wall, as you would a gas pipe etc . It is not the same as chucking several feet of loose T&E in a cavity to save chasing it!

Dont want to start any arguments , but the way I read #523 IMO its not different the cable is present.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I think we are all getting a bit carried away , running a cable through a straight hole from inside to out is fine.
I tend to agree that weaving metres of cable up and down a cavity wall isn't the best install method but again it has been done like that for donkeys years on old rewires. Infact an empty cavity wall made a perfect wire way and meant a 2 man team could rewire an old council house in about 3 days.
IF you had to chop out chases it would have added another 2 days and a ---- tonne of mess

 

[7029 dave]

I think we are all getting a bit carried away , running a cable through a straight hole from inside to out is fine.
I tend to agree that weaving metres of cable up and down a cavity wall isn't the best install method but again it has been done like that for donkeys years on old rewires. Infact an empty cavity wall made a perfect wire way and meant a 2 man team could rewire an old council house in about 3 days.
IF you had to chop out chases it would have added another 2 days and a ---- tonne of mess

When we were pulling an old rubber twin switch cable through the cavity, made on new to to old the tenant was watching and was quite blown away that their wall with pictures and nice flowery wall paper (lol) was still intact and watching this new pvc cable slip up the wall, followed by a nice white switch and patress.

 

[mainline]

A controlled penetration like a fan pipe compared to metres of cable flapping around loose in a cavity is not a comparison, but you carry on wriggling and finding excuses, eventually you will find someone that will agree with you and then you may, just may believe it your self.

You are totally going off track to try to hide the fact that you are wrong.

I didn't say it was OK to throw metres of cable or bridge gaps, in fact, I said it was unacceptable, so i don't know why you are coming up with scenarios that obviously wouldn't comply.

How about this : I run a conduit along the inner leaf with no bridge to the outer (although you said it's fine as it's a controlled penetration) feeding a socket, tell me how that wouldn't comply ?.




What I did say was that if the criteria can be met, there is nothing wrong with doing so.

You said it can't be done under any circumstances, but then failed to reply to my question of tails in a cavity.

My point is that you CAN run cable in a cavity as long as you meet the criteria, that is a fact.
If you took the time to read what I said, it may start to sink in that you are wrong.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

I think we are all getting a bit carried away , running a cable through a straight hole from inside to out is fine.
I tend to agree that weaving metres of cable up and down a cavity wall isn't the best install method but again it has been done like that for donkeys years on old rewires. Infact an empty cavity wall made a perfect wire way and meant a 2 man team could rewire an old council house in about 3 days.
IF you had to chop out chases it would have added another 2 days and a ---- tonne of mess

Dusty, you have hands-on experience of running cables in cavities. Did you ever come across any problems as a result of wiring this way?

Edit: same question to @7029 dave

 

[Mike Johnson]

The likelihood of a customer attributing their damp problems to the electrical works carried out possibly a year or so earlier is stretching it a bit don't you think?