Good Old Delroy, he gets all the best Jobs :)

[Dustydazzler]

 

[littlespark]

Yeah don't get me wrong. I really like the guys and have learned a tonne through them. The latest video just wound me up a bit - its worth remembering "electrician" isn't a protected term by law. You Don't need to have a gold card to be competent, which the last video seemed to suggest. But I largely enjoy their content. But the content I see from Del seems to consistently share standards that we on this forum would generally berate if they came from a DIY chap - but seem to be seen as acceptable to some because of his 'experience'.

lets say i've got "over 30 years experience" from becoming an apprentice aged 16..... Maybe i can blunder through jobs and film it... make a bit of cash

 

[lozarus]

lets say i've got "over 30 years experience" from becoming an apprentice aged 16..... Maybe i can blunder through jobs and film it... make a bit of cash

That's the thing though. You just can't categorise it. I manage a 63 year old ex-install electrician. He's just awful to be frank - won't use a wago - thinks they're flimsy. Bakelite screw junction box suspended in thin air for anything. Safe zones unheard of. My old man however is a Readers Digest special. No qualifications but when I PIR / EICR'd the house he rewired well before I was born (think early 70s) I just couldn't fault it. Fortunately my cousin-by-marriage is a trading spark - when he was relatively new to the famalam I had him do an EICR just I'm case I'd been biased. He couldn't fault it either. He's been married to my cousin for 6 years now and I keep asking if he lied on the report just to impress us. He maintains he didn't. Likewise I work with some fantastic fully qualified AM2 guys in their 60s who are fantastic. I also manage some unqualified entry short course guys who are passionate in the trade who produce fantastic work. I've forgotten my point (it's bank holiday so beers a flowin). But yeah. Peace to all - don't read into the tickets. A passionate guy or gal is all we need.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Yeah don't get me wrong. I really like the guys and have learned a tonne through them. The latest video just wound me up a bit - its worth remembering "electrician" isn't a protected term by law. You Don't need to have a gold card to be competent, which the last video seemed to suggest. But I largely enjoy their content. But the content I see from Del seems to consistently share standards that we on this forum would generally berate if they came from a DIY chap - but seem to be seen as acceptable to some because of his 'experience'.

The efixx vid I'm thinking of is a year or so old, with Gary telling someone they weren't allowed to call themselves an electrician, as they hadn't got whatever qualification, and comparing electrical work to that of a surgeon or pilot. Sure, there's more to our work than meets the eye, and there are potential consequences if we get it wrong, but that's stretching the imagination a tad. The bulk of their content is good though.

 

[7029 dave]

I've had to entirely unfollow him now. I
get berated for not being AM2 qualified. The latest efixx video basically confirmed that I'm not "a real electrician". And yet Dels latest video shows no understanding of gas interlock. But wait....I'm the unqualified/ inexperienced guy.

I have never sat the AM2 why, because it was not even born when I qualified.
So I must be the unqualified /inexperienced too, BUT at least I have worked with MICC cables over the years jokes dont listen to anyone. lol

 

[Dustydazzler]

The efixx vid I'm thinking of is a year or so old, with Gary telling someone they weren't allowed to call themselves an electrician, as they hadn't got whatever qualification, and comparing electrical work to that of a surgeon or pilot. Sure, there's more to our work than meets the eye, and there are potential consequences if we get it wrong, but that's stretching the imagination a tad. The bulk of their content is good though.

Efixx are for ever pushing the 'qualification' rhetoric , and want sparks to be seen as the higher power when it comes to the trades. I kind of see what their agenda is , and in a way I buy in to it as they want sparks charging £250 per hour for rolls royce installs.
But the real world is full of Delroys and Chris the Plumbers , and that ain't changing any time soon...

 

[UNG]

I have never sat the AM2 why, because it was not even born when I qualified.
So I must be the unqualified /inexperienced too, BUT at least I have worked with MICC cables over the years jokes dont listen to anyone. lol

Same for me no AM2 and no NVQ 3 either but I have loads of MICC experience

I always remember an apprentice who worked for me in the late 90's failing his first attempt at the AM2 on the fault finding section with a lot of bravado he reckoned I would struggle and wouldn't be able to find it, so having been challenged I asked if he had the sheet with the diagram on and he brought the booklet in the following morning, took me all of 10 minutes to find the fault that he hadn't in 2½ hours

 

[westward10]

Nor me.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Is AM2 now the 'gold standard' for new sparks ?

Been 20 years since i was a college and back then it was 236 Pt2 , C and 2391 then you were fully qualled up

 

[nicebutdim]

I take it members who completed an apprenticeship many decades ago had to undertake some sort of exam or assessment? That's what the AM2 is - an independent assessment of ability, under exam conditions.

It makes sense that people entering the trade are assessed in this manner, but it's plain daft to suggest that someone who qualified prior to its introduction isn't an electrician - it's like suggesting that O levels are now redundant and that everyone who sat them now needs to sit GCSEs.

 

[westward10]

I take it members who completed an apprenticeship many decades ago had to undertake some sort of exam or assessment? That's what the AM2 is - an independent assessment of ability, under exam conditions.

It makes sense that people entering the trade are assessed in this manner, but it's plain daft to suggest that someone who qualified prior to its introduction isn't an electrician - it's like suggesting that O levels are now redundant and that everyone who sat them now needs to sit GCSEs.

No I just gave them a couple of bottles of Scotch, blagged through ever since.

 

[nicebutdim]

No I just gave them a couple of bottles of Scotch, blagged through ever since.

I'll keep that in mind when my turn comes

 

[Petej999]

Del belongs to the NICEIC which means he is 'gold standard'

Not always Dusty not always!

 

[7029 dave]

I take it members who completed an apprenticeship many decades ago had to undertake some sort of exam or assessment? That's what the AM2 is - an independent assessment of ability, under exam conditions.

It makes sense that people entering the trade are assessed in this manner, but it's plain daft to suggest that someone who qualified prior to its introduction isn't an electrician - it's like suggesting that O levels are now redundant and that everyone who sat them now needs to sit GCSEs.

The practical modules of the course was part of the C&G syllabus, so basically if you failed the practical that was a fail even before you took the written part, there was a pass bench mark cant remember the percentage. However I dont recall anyone failing the practical, you would have to be rubbish. lol

 

[SparkySy]

I remember doing the AM2 back in the 90s there were 22 on the course and only 4 of us passed it! Some very upset employers!!
Sy

 

[Lister1987]

AM2; the GOLD standard, so much so we have 3 versions of it!

I rarely watch eFixx stuff; the series on conduit, Regulation Corner and few other gems but other than that I'll go to thier individual channels; GSH & Joe Robinson.