Green Deal & Eco Funds

[Eco Deal]

Measures qualifying for the Green Deal and ECO Green Deal Measures	In ECO (Affordable Warmth)?	In ECO (Carbon Reduction)?	In ECO (Carbon Saving Communities)?
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Measures/text in [/FONT][/FONT]bold [FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]were added after the consultation [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Low income and vulnerable households identified individually through benefits data (measures which reduce the cost of heating the home) [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]All households [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Homes in defined low income areas. [/FONT][/FONT]
Green Cells	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Always eligible [/FONT][/FONT]
Blue Cells	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Eligible when delivered as part of a package with solid wall insulation or hard to treat cavity wall insulation [/FONT][/FONT]
Red Cells	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Never eligible [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Air source heat pumps [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Biomass boilers [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Biomass room heaters (including with radiators) [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Cavity wall insulation [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]P [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Cavity wall insulation (HTT) [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Cylinder thermostats [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]District heating (not GD) [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]P [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y (if has LI or CWI) [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Draught proofing [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]P [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]
Duct insulation	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
Hot water showers [FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT](efficient) [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
Hot water systems [FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT](efficient) [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
Hot water taps [FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT](efficient) [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]External wall insulation systems [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Fan-assisted replacement storage heaters [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Flue gas heat recovery devices [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Ground source heat pumps [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Heating controls (for wet central heating system and warm air system) [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
Heating ventilation and air-conditioning controls (including zoning controls)	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]High performance external doors [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]P [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]
Hot water controls (including timers and temperature control)	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Hot water cylinder insulation [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Internal wall insulation (of external walls) systems [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Lighting systems, fittings and controls [/FONT][/FONT](including rooflights, lamps and luminaires)	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]N [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Loft or rafter insulation (including loft hatch insulation) [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]P [/FONT][/FONT]	[FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT][FONT=Arial MT,Arial MT]Y [/FONT][/FONT]

 

[Eco Deal]

Just posted this to help any one looking for info on what is ECO funded and why

Affordable warmth =

AFFORDABLE WARMTHGROUP ELIGIBILITY
1. ([FONT="TimesNewRoman]a[/FONT][FONT="TimesNewRoman"]) Child taxcredit and working tax credit are provided for in Part I of the Tax Credits Act2002 (c.21). [/FONT]
2. ([FONT="TimesNewRoman]b[/FONT][FONT="TimesNewRoman"]) 2002(c.21). [/FONT]
3. ([FONT="TimesNewRoman]c[/FONT][FONT="TimesNewRoman"]) See Part 1of the Welfare Reform Act 2007 (c.5). [/FONT]
4. ([FONT="TimesNewRoman]d[/FONT][FONT="TimesNewRoman"]) See section1(1) and (4) of the Jobseekers Act 1995 (c 18). [/FONT]
5. ([FONT="TimesNewRoman]e[/FONT][FONT="TimesNewRoman"]) See section124 of the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992 (c 4). [/FONT]
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(i) has parentalresponsibility for a qualifying child; or (ii) is in receipt of a qualifyingcomponent; or
(e) state pensioncredit([FONT="TimesNewRoman]a[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="TimesNewRoman"]);
(f) working tax credit and has a relevant income of £15,860 or less and— [/FONT]
(i) has parentalresponsibility for a qualifying child; or
(ii) is in receipt of a disabled worker element or severe disability element;or
(iii) is aged 60years or over.
[FONT="TimesNewRoman][COLOR=#000000]2. [/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=#000000][FONT="TimesNewRoman"]In paragraph 1—
(a) “qualifying child” means, in relation to a person in receipt of anallowance, income [/FONT][/COLOR]
support or workingtax credit, a child who ordinarily resides with that person and who—
1. (i) is under the age of 16; or
2. (ii) is 16 or over but under the age of 20 and in full-time education (otherthan higher education within the meaning of section 579(1) of the Education Act1996([FONT="TimesNewRoman]b[/FONT][FONT="TimesNewRoman"])); [/FONT]
(b) “qualifyingcomponent” means—
(i) child tax credit which includes a disability or severe disability element;
(ii) a disabledchild premium;
(iii) adisabilitypremium,enhanceddisabilitypremiumorseveredisabilitypremium;or(iv) a pensioner premium, higher pensioner premium or enhanced pensionerpremium;
(c) “parentalresponsibility” has the same meaning as in section 3 of the Children Act


Lots of Info on our web site

 

[Eco Deal]

Re: Green Deal & Eco Funds

Life time of measures

Measure	Plan Life
Cavity walls (all types)	25*
Loft insulation (virgin)	25*
Loft insulation (top-up)	25*
Solid wall (internal and external)	25*
Draught proofing	10
Hot water cylinder insulation	10
Double glazing	20
Boiler upgrade	12
Heating controls	12
Mini-wind	23
Photovoltaic panels	23
Solar water heater	25
Ground source heat pumps	20
Air source heat pumps	20
Biomass – wood pellet boiler	20

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Cash back amounts

CASH BACK Scheme Chart
	N/A with Eco Funding
Loft insulation including top up	£100
Cavity wall insulation	£250
Solid wall insulation	£650.00
Flat Roof insulation	£390
Room in roof insulation	£220
Floor insulation	£150
Hot Water cylinder insulatiion	£10
Draught Proofing	£50
Heating controls	£70.00
condensating oil boiler	£310
upgrade fo gas consating boiler	£270
Flue gas heat recovery	£90
New or replacement stoageheater	£150
Replacment warm air unit	£60
waste water heat recovery	£60
Double triple glazing (per m2 max 320.00)	£20
High performance doors	£40
Secondaty glazing (per m2 max 230)	£15
ZERO	£0

 

[lesliemorris85]

Thanks a lot for this, very informative! I have always been wary about availing of the Green Deal as I’ve heard a lot of criticisms about it. Right now I’m still educating myself as much as possible about its pros and cons before coming to a decision.

 

[sedgy34]

check out the update
https://www.gov.uk/government/organ...-and-energy-company-obligation-eco-statistics

 

[SRE]

I have a customer with wet electric heating - He's over 70, gets Attendance Allowance is there any chance he'll get ECO to change to an oil boiler (no natural gas) or is he going to have to do it himself? He's not in receipt of Pension Credit.

He's an F rating even with pv, in theory the oil will take him to a D but he's wary of spending his hard earned cash. Savings of about £450/pa by putting oil boiler in and of course a higher rate of Fit tariff.

 

[sedgy34]

He needs pension credit to be eligible, never heard of attendance allowance lol

 

[SRE]

Thanks Sedgy - AA is for people who can't manage to look after themselves but it isn't means tested so I didn't think it would qualify.

 

[Eco Deal]

Whoqualifies for a 100% ECO Funding?
In order to qualify for Eco funding , you must be a home owner or private tenant (notCouncil/Housing Association).
Someone living in the property must also be in receipt of atleast one of these six benefits (with a qualifying component where applicable):
•StatePension Credit (top up to State Pension)
•ChildTax Credit (household income under £15,850)
•IncomeSupport (with qualifyingcomponent 1)
•IncomeBased Jobseekers Allowance (with qualifying component 1)
•Income-RelatedEmployment Support Allowance (with qualifying component1 or 2)
•WorkingTax Credit (household income under £15,850 AND qualifying component 3)

Qualifying Component 1 (withrelevant main benefit above)
•Child under 16
•Childunder 20 in full-time education (but not university)
•Child TaxCredit including a disability element
•DisabledChild Premium
•DisabilityPremium
•PensionPremium

Qualifying Component 2(with relevant main benefit above)
•Work RelatedActivity or Support Component
Qualifying Component 3 (with relevant main benefit above)
•Childunder 16
•Childunder 20 in full-time education (but not university)
•SevereDisability Element
•DisabledWorker Element
•Aged60 or Over

 

[SRE]

Interesting story this one - electric bills were astronomical, I thought as a result of wet central heating system. I've spent a couple of days on and off going through bills and investigating gut feelings and discovered that for a number of years half of the heating element in the Nightstor 120 hasn't been working resulting in 40 - 50kwh/day in the Winter being drawn from peak rate electricity instead of night rate. The system had been serviced in 2011 but because no-one had gone through the bills when the customer insisted they were really high it wasn't picked up.

Fingers crossed a small repair bill will see the problem solved and the cost of heating will be less than the oil/lpg alternatives. I wonder if a Green Deal assessment had been done would oil central heating have been "sold"? I can't see any of the GDA's having time to work all of this out.

Not that I had the time really, worse still we're still on an F rating so no sale out of it. and I do accept that from the co2 point of view it's not ideal but it's a couple in their 70's so I can live with it.

 

[Megavolt]

Ecodeal

Did you get my pm

 

[sedgy34]

I see people now getting of the fence lol

 

[SRE]

I see people now getting of the fence lol

Almost certainly off it in the opposite direction to Green Deal Still like to help people out though so if/when it gets sorted I'll pass people on. Won't be until they get a few things sorted though.

Any idea what this highly confidential installation/conversion figure will be when it comes out in June?

 

[sedgy34]

Almost certainly off it in the opposite direction to Green Deal Still like to help people out though so if/when it gets sorted I'll pass people on. Won't be until they get a few things sorted though.

Any idea what this highly confidential installation/conversion figure will be when it comes out in June?

Dont know what your talking about sorry

 

[SRE]

Barking is keen to announce that 10k GDAR's have been done but there's deathly silence about the number of GD installations or the conversion rate. Apparently they are waiting until the beginning of June to release the figures. I just wondered if you had heard what were. I haven't heard of any GD installations at all yet, a few ECO but even that's been slow to kick off.