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I think you need to look at the historical persepective.
If you want people to get involved in a new energy there needs to be some form of susidy, as there is for the big 6 for wind and nuclear energy.
When FiTS was introduced the intention was to provide around a 10% return to make it attractive for the consumer.
The price of installations dropped as kit prices dropped and installations costs came down.
No one was in any doubt that the tariff needed to be reduced. The problem came with the government sitting on their fat lazy backsides prevaracating for too long. That led to the massive rise in installs because, as you say, the returns were too great.
Instead of acting in a sensible and timely manner the government then got a flap on and slashed the tarriff by over 50% and gave the industry just 5 weeks notice, breaking the law in the meantime, leading to even more uncertainty in the market place.
They now propose to cut the tariff even more, with the aim of giving people a return of 4-6%.
Now, why would you take money out of your savings and tie it up in a PV system where you have no access to your cash, rather than investing it wisely (my parents currently get 6% on their savings thanks to a decent IFA)
If you are relying on people doing it for entirely green reasons then we will return to the system pre 2010. How many PV installs did you see before then?
If the Government want to promote PV then they need to incentivise people to do so, and in a sensible, sustainable manner, not the kind of ill thought out, ill informed, half witted, arrogant, self interested, self fulfilling knee jerk nonsence we have seen up to now.

In response to your question, PV has already made a significant impact on producing clean energy. It is a viable and economical way to produce electricity, and to get it into production quickly. Be under no illusions, we have an energy crisis in this country and unless we start producing more soon we will be in real trouble. FiTS provided a quick and hassle free way for the Government to do this (and actually quite cost effective if you look at the total build cost of a new power station, including dealing with planning, public objections, overspends that we never hear about etc etc)

All this has nothing to do with the Government having an interest in the environment. It has to do with people in Government sucking up to big companies to line their own pockets in the future.

The Government does not have a green agenda, it has it's own agenda
 
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I agree moggy, and the reason I am currently un-employed is because of the fiasco in December, so i'm all to aware of how they balls'd it up big time!

The points you have outlined above are exactly my point though, the technology itself (P.V) does not seem to provide enough of an incentive to justify the outlay. I am a heating engineer predominantly (although 17th edition and P.V qualified) and so a lot of green deal technologies are available in my line of work, solar thermal, condensing boilers, controls, heat pumps, biomass etc etc

Some of them do actually pay for themselves over a period of time, solar P.V does not? I appreciate that part of the process involves installing enough quantity to drive prices down via demand, but even when prices hit 'rock bottom' so to speak, the savings on your energy bill based on someone who works 9-5 compared with outlay and maintenance (replacing inverter etc) doesn't seem to add up from here?

So the point I am trying to make is, maybe the problem is partly due to the technology itself not being quite ready for the task?

Again, i'm not trying to tread on toes, but trying to get a realisitc picture of the whole sustainable, renewable, green malarky!
 
No electrical energy source is self funding, we all pay for it. Do you want to pay for it now (as we do, through our electricity bills) or do you want your children to pay for it when all the natural resources are used up and there's no more fluffy wuffy polar bears!?

frankly, I think paying £5 a year for the current level of solar pV is well worth the cost (and I don't even have a system 'cos I live in a rented house!), and if we installed 4x that amount at a more reasonable fits of 30p it would still be very worthwhile.
How about Government predicts a problem and acts, rather than waiting until it's all gone wrong, we have inadequate electrical supplies and there's a big panic.
Oh no sorry, that means planning beyond the next 4 years doesn't it. sack that then!
You want to know what I think about the future of green energy in this country. In the short to medium term, there isn't one.
 
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I think realistically your right, but then realistically what difference will the UK make to the worlds carbon emissions? I know anything is better than nothing but talk about bad timing! World recession, lack of industry and manufacturing, wars in other countries.. but oh lets act fast on the carbon emissions of everyday society!

I'm not to familiar with P.V design and paybacks, but how would the current FIT system compare to an increased export rate of say 10p/KWh on an £8k 4kw system from an average household say 30% usage/70% export

I mean how many houses are there with 4kw systems on the roof with ample space to install more, but due to the cap on the FIT's make it uneconomically viable? Where's the sense in that given the costs involved in increasing the size at the time of installation would have been marginal? Surely that's counter productive with regards to cost/carbon reduction?
 
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It aint what you do its the way that you do it ... I understand fits were to high...but the way this whole thing has been dealt with is a sham and a knee jerk reaction...they cant tell us about the green deal in clarity and they can chop the fits...they are only interested in big busness and lining their own pockets...
 
I think realistically your right, but then realistically what difference will the UK make to the worlds carbon emissions? I know anything is better than nothing but talk about bad timing! World recession, lack of industry and manufacturing, wars in other countries..

Unfortunately, climate change isn't just going to slow down just because we haven't got as much money as we once had.
 

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