Grommets

[Griffin]

Hi Chaps,

Code for no grommets used ??????

A mate mentioned the other day it was a code 1

Your thoughts please

G

 

[eddielarge]

Are you talking about grommets on a fuse board or on sockets?

 

[rocker]

There's no way grommets not used is a code 1. They are not even necessary on anything that is unlikely to be moved (though you still should use them)

 

[Griffin]

Sorry guys,

socket back boxes..

My mate said he was told this by an NIC bloke..????

G

 

[eddielarge]

as good practice you should grommet , but as they are a machine cut hole there are genrally no burrs, so a code one is a def no no.

NIC are just a bit picky at times

 

[DurhamSparky]

agreed with Eddie for some reason!!

NICEIC would rewrite the bible if given the chance!! there out-take on the Regs can be bit questionable at times..!

grommets good practice and not a code 1

i can always tell if a "proper" spark has not done a job when called out by customers..!!

lack of grommets and Earth sleeving along with over use of insulation tape and incorrectly sized choc Block..!!

 

[chris gray]

unless its a metal clad surface socket

 

[Sintra]

unless its a metal clad surface socket

Would recommend that a TRS type gland be used in this situation as a grommet would compromise the IP rating.

 

[Spudnik]

I have seen first hand, the results of no grommets in back boxes.

Call to a recent kitchen refurb, done by the orange superstore, tripping RCD.

Pulled all sockets off and that sorted it.

However, found a switched spur with no grommets in back box. Insulation been stripped back on the T&E past the hole and the N conductor had rubbed through and was shorting on the edge of the hole.

 

[Guest123]

A mate mentioned the other day it was a code 1

G

No way on Gods earth can it be a code 1.....

At worst it would require improvement, at best it doesn't comply. Depending on how the cables are installed.

 

[Phil]

deff not a code 1, not sure where he got that one from

 

[Des 56]

Code 1
The code is used to indicate that danger exists and that the person using the installation is at risk

If you ask yourself " Are they in imminent danger" because there are no grommetts and the answer is yes, then other protective parts of the installation would also have to be of an abysmal standard for that to be the case

It should be inspected and if there is no cable damage,it could be noted,if you are more stringent it could be given a code 4, but code 1 ? it would be extra extreem to do so

 

[Sparky Ninja]

If the cable is all plastered in or secured via capping etc, resulting in no movement being able to take place then it should be considered as a code 4.

If it is possible for the cable to be moved under inspection or normal conditions, then a code 2 should be considered.


Giving this observation a code 1 is just nonsense.

 

[acat]

Had an assessment not so long ago NICEIC man saw my practice board for 2391(brown nosing) he mentioned at the time that grommets were best practice in back boxes not a requirement.


Chris