Health and safety guidance - Northern Ireland

[aaroncappa]

Hi folks. I'm not an electrician but I thought this would be a good place to get some guidance and get some understanding on health and safety when it comes to electric engineers.

I am from Northern Ireland. I just had a prepayment meter removed and a new meter installed for a direct debit tariff this morning.
NIE are the main guys here. I asked the engineer for a health and safety certificate after he installed the meter and he was surprised when I asked him. He asked why.

I told him about a fire that happened in a friends house where he got the blame for it after a meter was installed.

He then showed me what he had installed and said the seal on the meter links to him and if something happens he would be responsible. However he said that if there was a fire it would have been the white switch box or the black cables on the right side coming into the property that would have caused the fire.

Isn't there something these engineers are supposed to produce? What is the deal with health and safety certificates for installing meters? Surely there is laws regarding this.

I also have another friend got his own meter installed by an independent qualified engineer and they cut his electric off in the street claiming it was because of health and safety and he was provided with a certificate, which they claimed wasn't valid as only they could do the health and safety checks and validate a certificate. So as you can see there is some confusion as to what is true here. If these engineers don't provide them then what qualifies the safety?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[aaroncappa]

"Also we must understand the difference between LAW and LEGAL!
Statutes and Acts aren't LAW. They only apply to "PERSON'S"
I am a "living man" not a person"

Just so I can get my head round this...Statutes and Acts aren't Law. If the Government passes an Act, doesn't this become Law?
Don't some Acts apply to the people and some to Companies and other incoporated bodies, and some to everybody and all entities? Thus, such Acts apply to people/persons regardless of how they choose to identify themselves. After all, "person" is a term used extensively in Legislation to encompass living men, living women, living children, firms,companies,charitable organisations and generally every "body" capable of being identified as (an) Individual entity.
Thus, I can't see how, by choosing to define yourself as a "living man" you can escape/ignore the Law. If that were possible, every person/body/individual could choose to identify as a "living man" and not be subject to the Law. I think you would agree that that would be an impossible society. If I, as a person, drive my car recklessly and kill another person, I have broken several Laws, but that would not be the case if you, a living man, drove your personal conveyance in the same manner, with the same result...thus you are effectively saying that laws don't apply to you.

You do not have to pay for electricity, unless you choose to use some.
You do not have to buy groceries at your local store, but by filling your basket there you do have to pay.
As soon as you put an item into your basket, with the intention of taking it away, you have appropriated such item to the implied contract you have made with the store. Failure to pay is then theft, an offence punishable under the Law.
As you stated, consent is implied, and even though you may not have a written contract with,say,an electricity supplier, perhaps because you "inherited" an existing supply when you moved into a house, there is still an implied contract whereby if you avail yourself of the supply then you must pay for what you use.

If such a situation doesn't apply to you, why would you need an additional electricity meter, given you appear to think that the Law doesn't apply to you and therefore you don't need to pay anything?

Show me where I signed the contract! Statutes and Acts aren't law. They are leglislation. LAW is made by living men and women. Not DEAD FICTIONAL ENTITIES! If you can't work out that. Then you are the definition of a slave. And no where does it say a man "must" pay anything.

 

[aaroncappa]

This has got all the hallmarks of one of those people you get on Facebook who claim they can opt out of policing by consent and who look for ways of being awkward by copying & pasting things that other similar folk have posted. They like the words statute, yeoman, etc. And I'm loving the 'person' / 'living man' thing!

If you think you can get free electricity, gas, water, whatever then good luck to you. Bit unfair on the companies who produce it though - would YOU work for nothing? And it's a bit selfish when the rest of us pay.

Where is the evidence they produce it?

They transmit and distribute it. You need to know the meanings of the words you use. Clearly you don't know the difference. You don't opt out of consent either. Have you any idea how stupid that is. Consent is a choice. It can't be given by anyone except I, a living man. It's not decided by anyone else. Slave mentality comes to mind again.

 

[westward10]

Can everyone calm down or this thread will be gone. Not sure what it is all about anyway.

 

[DPG]

Where is the evidence they produce it?

They transmit and distribute it. You need to know the meanings of the words you use. Clearly you don't know the difference. You don't opt out of consent either. Have you any idea how stupid that is. Consent is a choice. It can't be given by anyone except I, a living man. It's not decided by anyone else. Slave mentality comes to mind again.

Oh my word, there's a guy ranting on a Facebook police page with almost identical wording. Do you all get this stuff from the same website? Why do you need to use the term 'living man'? What does this signify in your world.

And you are saying the power generating companies do not generate power? Not sure I'm with you there. And I do know the difference between generation and transmission by the way.

Obviously you are free to generate your own electricity and use it as you wish. But if you take something that someone else is producing (or distributing) then you cannot expect them to do it for free.

Oh and give it a rest with all the capitalisation - we're grown ups here and it comes across as a bit patronising.

 

[ferg]

The meter is just a measuring device, all it does is count the number of units you are using.
Who owns it does not affect how many units you are using nor does it alter the cost per unit.

I don't understand law nor do I understand quantum physics so I tend to follow conventional wisdom.

In your case that would be, if you use it you pay for it.

It is possible to generate your own electricity. How easy this would be depends on your location and your financial means.

 

[snowhead]

Can this thread be closed as it's going to serve no useful purpose, it will go on and on like other similar threads recently from individuals, or maybe they are a committee, possibly the same one.

 

[davesparks]

Can everyone calm down or this thread will be gone. Not sure what it is all about anyway.

If you Google 'free man on the land' it may go some way to explaining it.

I'd say these people have some similarities to flat-earthers, gravity deniers and those people who think KFC have bred 4 legged, 8 winged chickens.

 

[pirate]

"Show me where I signed the contract!"

If you had bothered to read what I wrote, you would not have asked this.

I'm not going to contribute further to this thread as I find the OPs attitude offensive, to me anyway.

 

[freddo]

I don't think I've ever met a sovereign citizen before!

 

[Lucien Nunes]

I am a "living man"

You might be a living man, but you will soon have dead electrical appliances.

 

[Mike Johnson]

To the OP, I am a living man and have probably lived a lot longer than you, but I do think you need some professional help from a someone living who is on a different drug to you.

 

[davesparks]

I don't think I've ever met a sovereign citizen before!

That's the other phrase I was trying to remember, sovereign citizen.

A mate of mine has met a few of them as he is a police officer and he has confirmed that for all their 'not consenting to be policed' 'common law' 'didn't sign a contract' etc they can still get dragged before judge and jury and end up in jail just like anyone else.

 

[islander]

That's the other phrase I was trying to remember, sovereign citizen.

A mate of mine has met a few of them as he is a police officer and he has confirmed that for all their 'not consenting to be policed' 'common law' 'didn't sign a contract' etc they can still get dragged before judge and jury and end up in jail just like anyone else.

Another one is 'Freeman on the Land'. They all end up in court and their attitude there often lands them with a sentence for contempt as well as a judgement against them resulting in various penalties being imposed.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I don't think I've ever met a sovereign citizen before!

Wolfie was the most famous.

 

[littlespark]

“DEAD FICTIONAL ENTITIES!”

Isn’t that a bit of a “Schrodingers cat” situation?

Fictional means made up… not real. Can’t be dead or alive.


Whether you have a meter supplied by them, or your own… you’re still paying the standing charge if there’s a supply to the property.

How would you change their meter to your meter without “tampering” with their equipment?