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Hi I'm in need of some help i had a fuseboard changed to a dual split rcd protected board as our old one was way out date, the cables were extended using juction boxes and the correct cables have been used the terminations themselves have been terminated like for like too! When the electrician made it live the lighting circuits tripped the rcd, I've had a look on other websites about lighting circuits and faults it may possibly be and noticed most lighting circuits have 1 1/1.5mm twin and earth at the mcb yet mine has two? Could this be causing the problem ? Would like to know a little if I can as to why it would even have 2 in the first place it all looked origanal when he took the thing apart any help would be appriciated gcs
 
the tripping could be due to what is called a borrowed neutral. did the electrician do any tests before or after the installation? also the second wire could be a spur off the breaker maybe. or in a very rare case the lights may have been wired in a ring but like i said that would be rare
 
i once went into the bookies to pop a bet on (First time in a bokies) looked at the slip didn`t have a clue so i walked out was going to pop 20 quid on it bloody thing was 20 - 1 would have made a bomb :(
 
I would suggest you contact the electrician that installed the new cu.

He should have carried out relevant tests to enable him to complete an installation cert, which would then have to be notified to the council.
 
Hi guys thanks for all the replys, the electrcian is coming back to test today, I wouldn't dare try to do the job myself ! wouldn't putting all the lighting circuits on one rcd cure the problem to a borrowed neutral as he tried this before he leftlast night but to no avail I just hope it's an easy fix as i don't want my house ripped apart again? Thanks gcs
 
All lights on one RCD would have health and safety issues if the RCD tripped thats why current boards are split so in the event of a trip you do not lose all power.


Chris
 
I understand that so if one lighting circuit goes the rest do leaving us without light in an emergencyv
situation ? Are we looking into something more serious then a borrowed neutral then if his attempt of noshing it did not work? Hese due round withen the next couple of hours. Your silence on the house being ripped apart makes me nervous? Cheers gcs
 
dont worry too much- I can sense your concerned, firstly put your faith in your electrician, he should be able to resolve issues like this for you, ask him/her for simple explanations of what could be happening. Please dont worry about having your house ripped apart, he will look for potential causes of the tripping on the surface first, then he will advise you if he needs to be a bit more invasive.
 
Most probably borrowed neutral, Eg two way lighting cicuits up and down stairs, mixed use of the neutral...but this would not occurr if the two ccts were on one MCB, but as said before that is not allowed on 17th editon regs.
Borrowed neutrals can also come from another souce, but the clue there would be the tripping on another cct.

This "borrowed neutral problem" is the one problem , I think , causing electricians most problems with the 17th edition.
Greeny
 
On a new 17th edition dual rcd split load board what detemains which circuits you put on either side, do you put for instance downstairs sockets and upstairs lights on one side and vise versa
 
On a new 17th edition dual rcd split load board what detemains which circuits you put on either side, do you put for instance downstairs sockets and upstairs lights on one side and vise versa

You are trying to minimise inconveniance during a fault condition
One Rcd covering the whole of the installation means loss of power to lights sockets etc throughout
This is frowned on for reasons such as falling down the stairs during the blackout

So the set up used by many, to minimise inconveniance, and comply with the Rcd just about anything paranoia,suggests using a double Rcd, where for instance, the upstairs lights would be on the same Rcd as the downstairs sockets
The down lights with the up sockets

Either Rcd going out will permit the user to either have lights or sockets so that a table lamp could be used
How this squares up to a supply fault is the achilles heel of this paranoia for 2 Rcds


Aternatively,to achieve the same result, emergency lighting could be installed with the whole sytem Rcd

The Rcd just about everything requirement left the industry with a consumer unit set up that should include Rcbos for each circuit,this is considered by many to be an expensive way of complying
2 Rcds are a cheap way of complying with the intent of the 17th edition rather than a proper compliance
where a fault on one circuit does not take out an healthy circuit

Its a healthy way of complying with the regs without the expense of the full blooded intention of Rcbos
A legal con trick by the industry to overcome its hasty and un necessary reliance on Rcds
 

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