Help..new board ..old installation

[NickD]

If you have class I fittings on a circuit you have to stick a label confirming that the circuit has no CPC, and inform the client that its your recommendation that the class I fittings are replaced with class II.

See my post. That's what the ESC guide says...providing there aren't any risky circumstances (conducting floor, special location, simultaneously accessible earthed metalwork). If there are the risky cirumstances, it's either fit CPCs, swap for Class II, or refuse to re-energise.

And when thinking about simultaneously accessible, you have to bear in mind that Mr Tickle out of the Mr Men or that stretchy bloke out of the Fantastic Four might come to dinner.

 

[palmerelectrcal]

Does at least show I conductd all the continutiy tests on changing the board.
Just shows that previous work carried out by a "proper sparky" doesnt mean its right!.

 

[NickD]

You're saying you've got hard evidence that a pro electrician put the Class I fittings in?

 

[markc123]

If that's what the ESC says then crack on, you're not doing anything illegal and can always fall back on the documentation.

Not that i agree though. Too me, like i've said it's either replace the fittings and label the board, or don't issue the cert and lock the lights off.

 

[NickD]

If that's what the ESC says then crack on, you're not doing anything illegal and can always fall back on the documentation.

Not that i agree though. Too me, like i've said it's either replace the fittings and label the board, or don't issue the cert and lock the lights off.

I don't really agree either, but it's a litigious world out there. If you refuse to re-energise someone's lights when the ESC guide says you could have done, then someone breaks their neck in the dark afterwards or burns the house down with a candle...

 

[markc123]

True, and 9/10 people would go out their way to trip over if theres half a chance of suing now-a-days.

 

[palmerelectrcal]

Ok. I'll test as described. Then if over 1M ohm. I'll issue the cert .But make note in the comments with ref to the ESC guide.Ill advise that the fittings need to be changed or a cpc provided for which i'm happy to quote for..
And yes a [proper sparky hookd up the metal fittings..probably the same one who told the cust in the past when the tails were smoking as their screw down clasp had become loose to leave everything on so he could find the fault easily!

 

[NickD]

WHOA THERE.

Do NOT follow anything I have said. I was very clear to say it's only my interpretation and thus not definitive in any way. Read the ESC guidance and decide yourself. And note particularly the stuff about must not be in special location/outdoors, must not be in location with conducting floor, must not be where earthed metal or extraneous conductive parts simultaneously accessible. The ESC is clear that you should push for CPCs to be installed.

And the definitive document remains BS7671.

 

[palmerelectrcal]

ok wont do anything until Ill see the cust. tommorow and explain.Give them a choice, pay up more or pay up more..

 

[Brightspark2]

Just to note the deviations box is not for putting things down which dont comply such as class 1 with no cpc. Instead this for where you havent followed BS7671 but have offered the same level safety etc.:thumbup: