Help please!!

[Sintra]

IMO a PIR should only be carried out by a person that has an advanced knowledge of electrical systems.You need to have a few years experience of EIC's & MWC's under your belt before undertaking a PIR.

 

[Des 56]

Well expereienced or not.work in these times is hard to come by
The man is in a job that others consider he is capable of doing
He seems to be asking questions because he is aware of correct procedures,uneasy with procedures and is new to the company

Whoever issued you with Mwc has to be told that they are not the correct forms for a report on an installation
The amount of testing and inspection does not matter, as long as the degree of that test/inspection is clearly stated on the pir form and agreed with the client ,who in your case is your employer,get that right and it will cover a lot of your concerns

If they insist on using a minor works certificate,then state on the certificate that the work done was removal and reconnection of accessories,not a test and inspection
It would not be what a minor works certificate is for,but will keep your employer happy,perhaps, whilst covering your actions

I cant understand how or where on a minor works certificate a failure of an installation could be recorded in order for an insurance company to accept or reject
It sems to me that they just want extent of damage reporting for internal job assessments,not a proper pir
They then fail to see that the extent of damge report is a pir with those stated limitations

 

[Mark_Burgess]

I suggest you stop using minor works forms and use the model forms in GN3 and the big red regs book with immediate effect.

By using minor works forms for a PIR, in my eyes and many others you will be seen as incompetent.

 

[tf189]

ye im saying i was sure you couldnt use minor works, thats wot i am being told and why i asked for a second opinion

 

[tf189]

ye there isnt anywhere to record a failure, im just writing on the sheet and on an additions sheet that it is a failure, purely because i dont want to have my name on a certificate that is supposed to be a pass! apparently their other electrician uses these minor works certs an i wasnt sure how, hes back in a week so i can find out wot he does then but for now im just trying to cover myself

 

[tf189]

Well expereienced or not.work in these times is hard to come by
The man is in a job that others consider he is capable of doing
He seems to be asking questions because he is aware of correct procedures,uneasy with procedures and is new to the company

Whoever issued you with Mwc has to be told that they are not the correct forms for a report on an installation
The amount of testing and inspection does not matter, as long as the degree of that test/inspection is clearly stated on the pir form and agreed with the client ,who in your case is your employer,get that right and it will cover a lot of your concerns

If they insist on using a minor works certificate,then state on the certificate that the work done was removal and reconnection of accessories,not a test and inspection
It would not be what a minor works certificate is for,but will keep your employer happy,perhaps, whilst covering your actions

I cant understand how or where on a minor works certificate a failure of an installation could be recorded in order for an insurance company to accept or reject
It sems to me that they just want extent of damage reporting for internal job assessments,not a proper pir
They then fail to see that the extent of damge report is a pir with those stated limitations

how would you suggest i could do a damage report on the affected circuits?? bearing in mind these houses are old and a few tests have failed already

 

[Scud]

These guys are absolutely right. A MWC is unacceptable for a periodic inspection. You need a Schedule of Inspections and a Schedule of Test Results to comply with BS7671. This information is available in GN3.

 

[tf189]

These guys are absolutely right. A MWC is unacceptable for a periodic inspection. You need a Schedule of Inspections and a Schedule of Test Results to comply with BS7671. This information is available in GN3.

i agree thats why i thought id ask on here, im being told that the other electrician does not use PIRs tho so im trying to find out how he does things, their response was minor works, i sed i think it is wrong but i just want to cover my --- till i find out wot the other bloke does but he is not back for a week

 

[tf189]

being honest mate i got told at the interview that its a few small tests on the odd circuit and rigging up temporary supplies, i dont have loads of experience testing and i have been installing for 8 years so at the time i thought - peice of ****, it was wen i started the job i realised that its a bit more involved than they let on