Help with certifying

[chiplard]

Hi, bit of a quandry.

I have a friend of a friend who stupidly has had a "qualified" electrician in to do the electrics for their extension. Thay have since found out that he is unable to certify his work. The area they live in do not have building control inspectors to come and inspect the work. As a part p registered electrician, what can i do to help them get their work certified. I know that you cannot certify 3rd parties work for the purposes of part p. But you can inspect and test. What is the difference?

 

[Jabbajaws]

Personally l dont see why you can't just do a EIC anyway. I know that that is rather 'naughty' but what's your alternative? A PIR?

And ask yourself what building control would do anyhow. They would come and test the work that has been installed so that it can be signed off.

If you do a PIR first and are happy with your results, what is to stop you from doing the EIC anyway? After all you would be doing exactly the same as building control does all the time, and if they arent available to do this, then someone has to do it. Why not you?

If youre part p registered, and you are with a competent scheme provider such as NAPIT, ELECSA, NICEIC, you could always ask them for advice. That is why you pay them a huge chunk of your hard earned cash every year...

 

[TPES]

If accepted I would only do a PIR. If I didn't install it I would never do I EIC for someone else, mainly because when the jobs finished I can't see what's been plastered.

I have done PIR's in the past but it's as a last resort and some building controls are not too happy with it. Check they will accept it first.

 

[Jabbajaws]

I see your point magic-sid. Where does that leave the old 2391 then? I always thought that one of the main purposes of that exam was so that a sparky was able/permitted to test work carried out by other installers, though please correct me if l am mistaken.

 

[stef]

This is only for your own installation work. You cannot certify someone else work. BC can. The electrician should have known this and therefore not undertaken the work in the first place. If the customer agrees do a
periodic.

 

[JUD]

Was the job notified to the LABC before the work began?

Why not use a 3 part EIC and get the bloke who installed it to sign the Design and Installation sections and you sign the Inspection & Testing section (as long as everything checks out of course).

 

[pushrod]

Was the job notified to the LABC before the work began?

Why not use a 3 part EIC and get the bloke who installed it to sign the Design and Installation sections and you sign the Inspection & Testing section (as long as everything checks out of course).

Good answer

 

[zsoltimatrix]

Was the job notified to the LABC before the work began?

Why not use a 3 part EIC and get the bloke who installed it to sign the Design and Installation sections and you sign the Inspection & Testing section (as long as everything checks out of course).

This sounds interesting but is it allowed?

I have a colleague at work who just finished the 2330. He installed a new ring circuit in his house and ask me can I inspect and test it and sign the EIC for him. I said that I can not sign of other peoples work even when I know that he probably did ok.

But if he can sign the certificate as being the installer and designer, can I test it and sign it of as an inspector?

Thanks !

 

[JUD]

This sounds interesting but is it allowed?

I have a colleague at work who just finished the 2330. He installed a new ring circuit in his house and ask me can I inspect and test it and sign the EIC for him. I said that I can not sign of other peoples work even when I know that he probably did ok.

But if he can sign the certificate as being the installer and designer, can I test it and sign it of as an inspector?

Thanks !

That's exactly the situation that the 3 part EIC is for. Each person takes responsibility for their role by signing the relevant part(s) of the certificate.

BTW I'm only suggesting this for the LABC route as they should be inspecting at intervals anyway (1st fix, 2nd fix etc). If you're notifying through a scheme I'm not sure this would be allowed.

 

[zsoltimatrix]

That's exactly the situation that the 3 part EIC is for. Each person takes responsibility for their role by signing the relevant part(s) of the certificate.

BTW I'm only suggesting this for the LABC route as they should be inspecting at intervals anyway (1st fix, 2nd fix etc). If you're notifying through a scheme I'm not sure this would be allowed.

What would be the case if the job design and installation would have been done by DIY person? 3 part IEC would be good than as well?

 

[JUD]

What would be the case if the job design and installation would have been done by DIY person? 3 part IEC would be good than as well?

I would say so, yes as they would take responsibility for the design and installation all of which should have been checked by LABC anyway.

There's nothing in Part P that says that the electrics have to be installed by a qualified electrician, only that you are "competent"

 

[shiva67]

In my area the local council accepts PIR only if the whole is inspected and that no Code 1's are present. I even had a case where the circuit was not protected by a RCB and I changed over to a RCBO, at which point I issued a IEC.

The council would not accept this as it only covered the works and they wanted a PIR for the whole house. Had a very rude call from Building Control say that I had conned the client and he would take me to the NICEIC

 

[mears]

what do you need to be able to certify work yourself - is it the 2391 when doing the training

Elec newbie

thanks
j mears

 

[JUD]

what do you need to be able to certify work yourself - is it the 2391 when doing the training

Elec newbie

thanks
j mears

To certify your own work you need to be a member of a Part P competent person scheme such as NICEIC or Elecsa amongst others.

To become a member of one of the above schemes you will be assessed on work you have completed in the last 6 - 12 months and most of the schemes require that you have C&G 2382 (17th Edition Wiring Regs) or that you gain it within the first 12 months of your membership.

As far as I know you only need the 2391 if you want to do PIRs under your scheme provider.

 

[pushrod]

To certify your own work you need to be a member of a Part P competent person scheme such as NICEIC or Elecsa amongst others.

To become a member of one of the above schemes you will be assessed on work you have completed in the last 6 - 12 months and most of the schemes require that you have C&G 2382 (17th Edition Wiring Regs) or that you gain it within the first 12 months of your membership.

As far as I know you only need the 2391 if you want to do PIRs under your scheme provider.

This is one of life's great mysteries and is a bit like searching for the holy grail - my understanding is that to certify work you need to be competent.
To certify notifiable work you need to be recognised as competent by either being part of a competent person scheme such as napit, elecsa , the other one or some really unknown ones
OR
be recognised as competent by the local authority building control concerned.

Some of the competent person schemes require 2391 before they recognise you as capable of doing PIRs

Probably all of the above is completely ficticious and i fully expect at least 10 people to tell me something different that i have never heard of before