Help with EICR coding

[Doomed]

Working on report at home, left books in office as I got called home urgently yesterday, help on a couple of codings would be useful. I want to have the report emailed off before Monday so I cant use the NICEIC advice line.

Inspected care home, all clients are dementia.

No RCD protection on majority of sockets in clients rooms, normally this would warrent a C3, but due to the situation would you rate it as C2?

One of the main DB's is in a bedroom with a clients bed directly under it, client often in bed (I had to ask nicely for the staff to move the client so I could move the bed to access the DB). I have no idea if I should code this, if it was storage in the way I would C3 it, but in this situation? I know I would kick off if I was doing a risk assessment, but for an EICR?

May post more later.

 

[Andy78]

Using the reminder at the end of each row from table 41.3 you can work out all your max Zs figures for 60898 and 61009. Type B is 46/In then half that for a type C, half again for a D.
Type B = 46/In
Type C = 23/In
Type D = 11.5/In

Note that this is from the BGB.

 

[Doomed]

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...nyone-have-federal-mcb-data-zesses-sheets.pdf

Thank you, which values are not as the other company listed

 

[Doomed]

Using the reminder at the end of each row from table 41.3 you can work out all your max Zs figures for 60898 and 61009. Type B is 46/In then half that for a type C, half again for a D.
Type B = 46/In
Type C = 23/In
Type D = 11.5/In

Note that this is from the BGB.

Thank you, as I said earlier I am at home and all my books got left in the office as I had to rush home.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Thank you, which values are not as the other company listed

Have they written the max Zs of the RCD part of the RCBO?

 

[Richard Burns]

These values will be the 3rd amendment values at the conductor normal operating temperature (BS7671) or 1.25 times the values at ambient temperature (OSG)

 

[Doomed]

Have they written the max Zs of the RCD part of the RCBO?

Max Zs values as I listed above.

Any answers on the min CPC being 1.5mm for a C type?

 

[Richard Burns]

From the yellow OSG minimum cpc size for type C is 1.5mm² if the fault current is <= 3kA (2.5mm²<=6kA)

 

[Leesparkykent]

As above table B7 OSG.

 

[Doomed]

From the yellow OSG minimum cpc size for type C is 1.5mm² if the fault current is <= 3kA (2.5mm²<=6kA)

Thank you. So they missed the 1.0mm T&E on a C type in their EICR then. Not my problem, just had something nagging in my memory.

 

[Doomed]

As above table B7 OSG.

As above, all my books are in the office, but I'm trying to get some work done at home in the mean time. (and my OSG is in my van outside my mother in laws)

 

[socket2me]

Just read through this post as im doing an EICR on Thursday at a garage which is the first under AMM3. I had a look around yesterday and noticed absence of RCD protection throughout so offices, workshop areas etc. As far as the condition report goes i would give all socket outlets rated at 20A or less a C2. I was surprised to see the C3 recommended for the sockets earlier in the post as i would have gone for C2 here to. Am i being harsh....?

 

[Richard Burns]

Just read through this post as im doing an EICR on Thursday at a garage which is the first under AMM3. I had a look around yesterday and noticed absence of RCD protection throughout so offices, workshop areas etc. As far as the condition report goes i would give all socket outlets rated at 20A or less a C2. I was surprised to see the C3 recommended for the sockets earlier in the post as i would have gone for C2 here too. Am i being harsh....?

Yes, why do you now think it requires remedial action without delay today when last month it would have been absolutely fine and there is no requirement to retrospectively apply the regulations.
Whilst you are comparing the installation to the current regulations you are, primarily, assessing the installation for suitability for continued use, it is still suitable for continued use but improvement could be recommended.

 

[socket2me]

Well i wouldnt have said so much the sockets in office areas until the new amendment but the sockets around workshop areas close to doors for outside use etc i would say falls under the previous amendment and wouldnt be happy leaving them unprotected....