Home based spray booth

[Andy78]

Just been to quote for an odd job. Fella wants to do a car spraying business from home, in his double garage at the end of the garden. Wants ceiling and wall mounted lighting, provision for a 32A compressor, no mechanical air extraction, random sockets dotted about.

Am I right in thinking all this gear should be atex/ex ? I have zero qualification, knowledge, or experience in this area so bear with me. Is it my lookout as designer or his lookout as the customer as to what he finally uses the garage for as to what equipment is installed ?

He doesn't seem to have much of a clue about any requirements electrically or safety wise. He originally wanted me to use a 13A spur from the downstairs sockets for this lot, and was happy to use his existing lighting, vapour proof fittings minus lids on extension leads, for the finished job. I asked if his business insurance required EX rated equipment but he shrugged and looked confused like there wasn't going to be any insurance.

Not comfortable about even quoting for this at the minute.

 

[Pete999]

Agree and non sparking tools, can't for the life of me remember the right name for them. Had a brain freeze, just paid for me car service.

Intrinsically Safe was what I was looking for

 

[Des 56]

He has asked for work to be done,what he does with what you provide is his look out
I don't see how anyone can be responsible for whatever work is then carried out

 

[Pete999]

He has asked for work to be done,what he does with what you provide is his look out
I don't see how anyone can be responsible for whatever work is then carried out

Appreciate what you are saying Des, but is the client not paying for the installers expertise and advice? after all what would you say if you told the Tyre fitter yo put duff tyres on your car and it failed the MOT? To be honest I can't see the logic of your reply.

 

[7029 dave]

It sounds all to -------- for me.

 

[Des 56]

I have very often gone into industrial units,supplied 3 phase and single phase outlets,perhaps high bay or fluorescent lights,used differing methods of installing,conduit,pyro, armoured, clipped,whatever was wanted and complied it got installed
What I would not do would be refuse to install because "they may" be used for purposes other than what they are not intended

I have no problem with giving advice and would always do so,but what someone does with their business is their responsibility
Having said that,if I were then to report on a installation that I had fitted and it was being used inappropriately I would also make a unsatisfactory report
My responsibility is not to make decisions on the working environment of other businesses

Just to add,this is my own personal opinion.its not meant to be argumentative,it can be accepted or rejected,that is your own prerogative,what it does not deserve is insult,thanks in advance

 

[Andy78]

What I would not do would be refuse to install because "they may" be used for purposes other than what they are not intended

I think that's the rub for me. I definitely know what the use will be so I need to advise with that in mind. It wouldn't sit right with me otherwise.

The fella has since thanked me for my advice and is rethinking his way forward.

 

[Pete999]

I have very often gone into industrial units,supplied 3 phase and single phase outlets,perhaps high bay or fluorescent lights,used differing methods of installing,conduit,pyro, armoured, clipped,whatever was wanted and complied it got installed
What I would not do would be refuse to install because "they may" be used for purposes other than what they are not intended

I have no problem with giving advice and would always do so,but what someone does with their business is their responsibility
Having said that,if I were then to report on a installation that I had fitted and it was being used inappropriately I would also make a unsatisfactory report
My responsibility is not to make decisions on the working environment of other businesses

Just to add,this is my own personal opinion.its not meant to be argumentative,it can be accepted or rejected,that is your own prerogative,what it does not deserve is insult,thanks in advance

Des, not sure what your inference to an insult means, I for one never intended to insult anyone, just couldn't understand your logic, if you mistakenly took my response as an insult than you to have misunderstood my reply, no insult was/is intended, perhaps you could clear up your inference for the sake of harmony amongst Forum members.

 

[Des 56]

My apology to you Pete if it seemed aimed at you,it was not meant for you or your post

It was because of what I experienced on this forum last year with the EU thread,that thread went way beyond what was being discussed,I was personally getting too much abuse simply for having a different opinion to most others.I have a opposite view to most on this thread and just slipped that in at the end for the sake of harmony

 

[rapparee]

Agree and non sparking tools, can't for the life of me remember the right name for them. Had a brain freeze, just paid for me car service.

I disagree we use intrinsically safe ATEX tools in our paintline

 

[rapparee]

I disagree we use intrinsically safe ATEX tools in our paintline

I hadn't read the whole way to the bottom of the thread.