Horizontal 45amp switch

[WallaceP]

Hello, I am looking to replace a Cooker Control Switch that has a socket to just a 40 or there abouts switch with no socket. The circuit is not RCD protected and I would rather not change the consumer unit on this job. The consumer unit has an 63amp RCD on it currently with no spare ways with 3 RFC and a shower on it, so I do not want to swap anything else about. I have had a flick through a few catalogues online but cant seem to find such a thing. I cant bring myself to fit a vertical 2g switch side ways.

Thank you

 

[Dartlec]

Hello, I am looking to replace a Cooker Control Switch that has a socket to just a 40 or there abouts switch with no socket. The circuit is not RCD protected and I would rather not change the consumer unit on this job. The consumer unit has an 63amp RCD on it currently with no spare ways with 3 RFC and a shower on it, so I do not want to swap anything else about. I have had a flick through a few catalogues online but cant seem to find such a thing. I cant bring myself to fit a vertical 2g switch side ways.

Thank you

What's the breaker for the cooker?

Grid switch might be an option, but best I can find in those is a 32A switch, which may not be enough.

I've never seen a 'single' switch that fills a 2 gang spot either...

You could switch the backbox to a dual one and blank one side, though that may be tricky if it's in tiling...

Only other thought is whether it may be possible to permanently install a kid socket protector, such that the socket is no longer usable, but not sure on the practicalities of that...

Is this for an EICR - is the socket actually likely to be used for external mobile equipment? (assuming it's not a new circuit since CCS is in place?)

 

[ipf]

Only other thought is whether it may be possible to permanently install a kid socket protector, such that the socket is no longer usable, but not sure on the practicalities of that...

Never recommend one of those mate...........look up 'FatallyFlawed'.

 

[James]

Never recommend one of those mate...........look up 'FatallyFlawed'.

The point was to PERMANENTLY install it.
if it were glued in so the only way of removing it was to replace the socket it could be a solution.

however,I do understand your concern and agree that they are not to be recommended as they can make sockets more likely to fail especially if there are large loads attached to them later.

 

[WallaceP]

What's the breaker for the cooker?

Grid switch might be an option, but best I can find in those is a 32A switch, which may not be enough.

I've never seen a 'single' switch that fills a 2 gang spot either...

You could switch the backbox to a dual one and blank one side, though that may be tricky if it's in tiling...

Only other thought is whether it may be possible to permanently install a kid socket protector, such that the socket is no longer usable, but not sure on the practicalities of that...

Is this for an EICR - is the socket actually likely to be used for external mobile equipment? (assuming it's not a new circuit since CCS is in place?)

Thanks for your reply. It is tiled so a dual box would not work. The grid switch my be an option but I would need to check the rating of the oven again

Yes it was an EICR. I dont think it would be too likely to use it to supply power outside.
I had a look for an rcd online to make it a dual board but it was a Siemens board i believe(this was a few weeks ago and cant find a photo to confirm). I couldnt find spre parts from a trusted supplier.

 

[telectrix]

if the cable feeding he cooker sitch/socket is buried < 50mm then it should be RCD protected anyway.a C3. as for the replacement acessory.fit a horizontal switch/socket and glue the shutters on the socket outlet. ?

 

[SJD]

Does this have to be a 45A switch? Or is the circuit on a 32A MCB, and a 32A-rated switch could be used? Because you can get a 32A grid switch module (e.g. Scolmore do a double pole 32A Click mini-grid) and I am wondering if one of these mounted in a 2-gang wide frame (plus blanks) would work? I've not seen anything higher rated than 32A.

 

[snowhead]

Is there room for a stand alone RCD at the C.U for the cooker circuit?

 

[Dartlec]

Thanks for your reply. It is tiled so a dual box would not work. The grid switch my be an option but I would need to check the rating of the oven again

Yes it was an EICR. I dont think it would be too likely to use it to supply power outside.
I had a look for an rcd online to make it a dual board but it was a Siemens board i believe(this was a few weeks ago and cant find a photo to confirm). I couldnt find spre parts from a trusted supplier.

Best Practise Guide 4 gives C3 for:

Absence of RCD protection for a socket-outlet that is unlikely to supply portable or mobile equipment for use outdoors, does not serve a location containing a bath or shower, and the use of which is otherwise not considered by the inspector to result in potential danger​

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So it's not automatic that it needs upgrading - it's a judgement.

 

[Dartlec]

Never recommend one of those mate...........look up 'FatallyFlawed'.

Yep - I share that info whenever I can. I was thinking of some way of fixing it permanently so that the socket is no longer functional - though not sure what glue would be suitable or what affect it would have on the internal parts - or in deed how long it might last - so would be naturally cautious about doing it...

 

[Avo Mk8]

Hello, I am looking to replace a Cooker Control Switch that has a socket to just a 40 or there abouts switch with no socket. The circuit is not RCD protected and I would rather not change the consumer unit on this job. The consumer unit has an 63amp RCD on it currently with no spare ways with 3 RFC and a shower on it, so I do not want to swap anything else about. I have had a flick through a few catalogues online but cant seem to find such a thing. I cant bring myself to fit a vertical 2g switch side ways.

Thank you

How about getting a cooker control unit blanking plate, cutting a hole in it, and mounting a 45A switch (flush/ screwless etc...) in the middle?

 

[telectrix]

Yep - I share that info whenever I can. I was thinking of some way of fixing it permanently so that the socket is no longer functional - though not sure what glue would be suitable or what affect it would have on the internal parts - or in deed how long it might last - so would be naturally cautious about doing it...

the socket outlets can be gummed up and blocked off easily. ask any 5 year old child.

 

[Cagethethird]

How about something like this and mount a single switch in the middle

Nursecall Intercall AD1 Adapter Plate

AD1 from the Nursecall Intercall range of products is an Adaptor Plate which converts a single gang plate to fit a double gang box. It has a white metal coating.

www.acornfiresecurity.com

 

[WallaceP]

How about something like this and mount a single switch in the middle

Nursecall Intercall AD1 Adapter Plate

AD1 from the Nursecall Intercall range of products is an Adaptor Plate which converts a single gang plate to fit a double gang box. It has a white metal coating.

www.acornfiresecurity.com

Great find, thank you