How many eicr in a day

[magnoliafan89]

Hi guys whats your take of how many EICRs can be done properly in a day average of 5 to 8 circuits ranging from 1 bed flats to 3 bed houses?? This would also include travel and also doing any repairs whilst there?

 

[DPG]

Yes I've put a few sockets in kitchens and a few new fuse boards

So why say your work has been non notifiable then? It's hard work this.

 

[Brian Taylor]

You said 'most' of your work. You have obviously done notifiable work because of your earlier comments about the customer dealing with it.

So why say your work has been non notifiable then? It's hard work this.

I'm not sure what's notification and what's not ...I must admit I don't fully understand the rules
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I'm not sure what's notification and what's not ...I must admit I don't fully understand the rules

it seems strange that I can change a socket in a lounge with no problem but can't change a socket in a kitchen without some odious requirement for firms

 

[magnoliafan89]

As most of my work is replacing damaged sockets and switches etc..some of which will be outside is this noticeable?

Replacing something i

I'm not sure what's notification and what's not ...I must admit I don't fully understand the rules
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it seems strange that I can change a socket in a lounge with no problem but can't change a socket in a kitchen without some odious requirement for firms

Brian if you came across a cracked socket in a kifchen and swapped it thats fine. If you then went and pulled in a 6mm cable from the DB to supply a cooker THAT is notifiable, if you were to swap a pendant that is fine if though whilst doing that you added in an extra light on a circuit that is non rcd protected not only is that now against regs but to then start altering the supply of said circuit by adding an rcd is notifiable.
Changing consumer units is also notifiable. So yes you have done notifiable work when you havent actually notified the relevant people

 

[Vortigern]

Notifiable works

• The installation of a new circuit
• The replacement of a consumer unit
• Any addition or alteration to an existing circuit in a special location

Non- notifiable works

• All other work is considered non-notifiable, namely additions and alterations to existing installations outside special locations, maintenance, replacement and repair work.

Special locations and installations

• A room containing a bathtub or shower
• A room containing a swimming pool or sauna heater.

How will compliance with Part P be enforced?

Failure to comply with the Building Regulations is a criminal offence and local authorities have the power to require the removal or alteration of work that does not comply with the requirements.
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I would just like to acknowledge you @Brian Taylor for at least asking the right questions and trying to get abreast of what I and others are banging on about. Kudos to you! I would also add that I started training when I was 17 in London around the east end. The working practices and installation equipment has no semblance of familiarity compared to now. The rules and regulations and enforcement have gradually become more and more complex. Because it has been an incremental and gradual change and increase over the years I have managed to keep abreast by continuing professional development (CPD) and so it is not so hard for me. I did it bite by bite so to speak. From where you appear to be it probably may seem a daunting task to get your head around modern requirements. However if you at least take on board the most basic of requirements, notification, you will be batting from a much more secure wicket so to speak.

 

[davesparks]

I'm not sure what's notification and what's not ...I must admit I don't fully understand the rules

Do you have a copy of part P? It's a free download so you don't even have to pay for it, it clearly explains what is notifiable and what is not. It's certainly a lot easier to understand dthan BS7671 is in places, and you presumably have a copy of BS7671 and understand it?

 

[richy3333]

@davesparks its quite apparent that he doesn’t have a copy of the Regs, certainly not an up to date one ?

 

[Brian Taylor]

				Notifiable works The installation of a new circuit The replacement of a consumer unit Any addition or alteration to an existing circuit in a special location Non- notifiable works All other work is considered non-notifiable, namely additions and alterations to existing installations outside special locations, maintenance, replacement and repair work. Special locations and installations A room containing a bathtub or shower A room containing a swimming pool or sauna heater. How will compliance with Part P be enforced? Failure to comply with the Building Regulations is a criminal offence and local authorities have the power to require the removal or alteration of work that does not comply with the requirements. [automerge]1595972129[/automerge] I would just like to acknowledge you @Brian Taylor for at least asking the right questions and trying to get abreast of what I and others are banging on about. Kudos to you! I would also add that I started training when I was 17 in London around the east end. The working practices and installation equipment has no semblance of familiarity compared to now. The rules and regulations and enforcement have gradually become more and more complex. Because it has been an incremental and gradual change and increase over the years I have managed to keep abreast by continuing professional development (CPD) and so it is not so hard for me. I did it bite by bite so to speak. From where you appear to be it probably may seem a daunting task to get your head around modern requirements. However if you at least take on board the most basic of requirements, notification, you will be batting from a much more secure wicket so to speak. Many thanks sir

 

[Brian Taylor]

@davesparks its quite apparent that he doesn’t have a copy of the Regs, certainly not an up to date one ?

Yes have an older copy...waiting for the price to come down to a sensible level

 

[DPG]

Yes have an older copy...waiting for the price to come down to a sensible level

I was going to respond to this, but thought better of it.

 

[davesparks]

Yes have an older copy...waiting for the price to come down to a sensible level

The price doensy come down, it is what it is, and it is relatively cheap compared to other British standards documents.

How on earth do you carry out work or EICRs in compliance with the regulations if you do not have a copy of the current edition?

 

[Brian Taylor]

The price doensy come down, it is what it is, and it is relatively cheap compared to other British standards documents.

How on earth do you carry out work or EICRs in compliance with the regulations if you do not have a copy of the current edition?

Well yes they do reduce in price...the original price o found was about £95 but have seen them going for about £60 now on Amazon so heading in the right direction
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Well yes they do reduce in price...the original price o found was about £95 but have seen them going for about £60 now on Amazon so heading in the right direction

I can't imagine that the regulations have changed much since the last edition..I am given to understand that the latest is a more or less rewrite of the previous one

 

[davesparks]

I can't imagine that the regulations have changed much since the last edition..I am given to understand that the latest is a more or less rewrite of the previous one

Then your understanding is wrong. If it was a straight rewrite of the last one it wouldn't have been done.

Things that have changed include the new requirements for surge protection, additional requirements for RCD protection in domestic installations, requirements for AFDDs, changes to EV charging, changes to max Zs for RCD protected circuits.

You cannot be carrying out EICRs without a good knowledge of the current wiring regulations, especially not for rental houses where the new law requires them to have an EICR to the 18th edition.

 

[DPG]

Well yes they do reduce in price...the original price o found was about £95 but have seen them going for about £60 now on Amazon so heading in the right direction
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I can't imagine that the regulations have changed much since the last edition..I am given to understand that the latest is a more or less rewrite of the previous one

So, that's another way you can save money and thus undercut genuine electricians. Don't bother buying regs - top tip eh.

If you are for real, then you shouldn't be doing electrical work for people. I suggest you contact people for who you have done notifiable work for and let them know they need to notify their local authority.

I take it you also have no objection to unqualified/unregistered people doing gas installation work for people?

 

[nicebutdim]

What's the legal position when an electrician works to whatever previous version of regulations that best suits their thinking, rather than current regulations?

 

[TJ Anderson]

My uncalibrated MFT (calibration is a waste of money) packed up the other week but I don’t charge my customers enough to cover replacing tools and equipment. It’s fine though, I just short line to earth with a paper clip and wear free covid-19 gloves from the BP garage so I don’t belt myself. It’s great, everything has tripped so far.