How many minor certificates should be issued

[trev]

Does anyone else charge separately for minor works certs. Surly, as mentioned previously, any work carried out should be tested and certified.

Not as such but I always make an allowance in the quote for the time spent testing and certing.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Yep, I am aware of the ECA MEIWCs, just as I am aware of the NICEIC's Visual Inspection Reports.
Neither comply with BS7671.
The Model forms in Appendix 6 are there to provide information for the requirement in Chapter 6 to base certification on the model forms found in Appendix 6.

i.e. information on how to comply with a REGULATION :{) (smiley face with a moustache)

 

[Leesparkykent]

Yep, I am aware of the ECA MEIWCs, just as I am aware of the NICEIC's Visual Inspection Reports.
Neither comply with BS7671.
The Model forms in Appendix 6 are there to provide information for the requirement in Chapter 6 to base certification on the model forms found in Appendix 6.
I.E. information on how to comply with a REGULATION.

I wonder why they produce them then? as from what you are saying they can't be worth the paper they are printed on.

 

[trev]

NICEIC's Visual Inspection Reports.

Who's bright bloody idea were they?
Yes Mr & Mrs homeowner, I just spent 10 minutes looking around your lovely home and I can categorically confirm that nothing is damaged.
£50 please
Eh? !

 

[Leesparkykent]

Who's bright bloody idea were they?
Yes Mr & Mrs homeowner, I just spent 10 minutes looking around your lovely home and I can categorically confirm that nothing is damaged.
£50 please
Eh? !

BG are all over them like a rash lol

 

[trev]

Can you imagine the laughter in the insurer's office?
Good morning your through to insurers.com, my name is ..... how can I help
Oh, I've had a fire, all my stuff has been destroyed. I'm so upset, everything of sentimental value has gone.
Ok Mr homeowner can I just take a few details? I can see that you're a policy holder and your premiums are up to date so there shouldn't be a problem. Can you just give me a rough idea when you last had an electrical inspection carried out please? You should be able to get a copy of all the paperwork from the contractor so we should be ok to pay out.
Oh Really! Fantastic! I had a really nice bloke around just a few weeks ago. He did a full visual inspection and gave me some papers with NEICIE on them or something like that, will that be them?
Click.
Buzzzzzzzzz

 

[Andy78]

Yep, I am aware of the ECA MEIWCs, just as I am aware of the NICEIC's Visual Inspection Reports.
Neither comply with BS7671.
The Model forms in Appendix 6 are there to provide information for the requirement in Chapter 6 to base certification on the model forms found in Appendix 6.

i.e. information on how to comply with a REGULATION :{) (smiley face with a moustache)

No I'm sorry I don't agree with that.
Appx 6 of the regs state that a MEIWC is for alterations or additions, and a EIC is for where new circuits have been introduced.
The Elecsa multi circuit forms contain all the information required of a MEIWC as per the model forms in the regs.
The Elecsa forms are based on, and currently exceed, the information required by the model forms, whereas the NICEIC visual inspection report has no basis whatsoever in the regs in the first place, therefore no comparison can be made.

 

[Des 56]

Agreed about the minor works,its for works that does not include a new circuit

I see the Iet model forms as meant as a kind of blueprint for the content that the regs require
They can be used as is, or adapted,the info can contain useless crap if its so wanted, or just stick to the essentials that are the min

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Regulation 631.3
"Where minor electrical installation work does not include the provision of a new circuit, a Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate, based on the model given in Appendix 6, May be provided for each circuit altered or extended as an alternative to an Electrical Installation Certificate."

Can someone please explain how a certificate which deals with 2 or 3 circuits complies with the requirement to provide a certificate for each circuit?

 

[Plonker 3]

Regulation 631.3
"Where minor electrical installation work does not include the provision of a new circuit, a Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate, based on the model given in Appendix 6, May be provided for each circuit altered or extended as an alternative to an Electrical Installation Certificate."

Can someone please explain how a certificate which deals with 2 or 3 circuits complies with the requirement to provide a certificate for each circuit?

one circuit one cert, there is no mention of alteration to more than one circuit. So there fore as long as a multi circuit MWC contains all the information required for all circuits how can it not comply?

 

[Pete999]

Have you seen these?

https://www.elecsa.co.uk/Documents/.../BS7671-Amd1-Minor-Works-Certificate-(1).aspx

Was trying to look for that one well done mate I couldn't find it

 

[Andy78]

Regulation 631.3
"Where minor electrical installation work does not include the provision of a new circuit, a Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate, based on the model given in Appendix 6, May be provided for each circuit altered or extended as an alternative to an Electrical Installation Certificate."

Can someone please explain how a certificate which deals with 2 or 3 circuits complies with the requirement to provide a certificate for each circuit?

I would take the wording of the above reg to reflect the fact that the model MEIWC was only designed with provision of one circuit, not that the model form must be used as printed. I expect this of a document such as BS7671 that constantly needs to clarify what it actually intended a reg to mean rather than what was clumsily worded in the regs.
The model form MEIWC in the BGB is not even compliant with BS7671 anyway. It contains no space for recording compliance with 415.1.1 and therefore does not comply with 610.4. I believe this is changed in the BYB, but handily already changed in the Elecsa multi circuit forms.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

one circuit one cert, there is no mention of alteration to more than one circuit. So there fore as long as a multi circuit MWC contains all the information required for all circuits how can it not comply?

Because the requirement is to provide a MEIWC for each circuit altered.

Not aware that anyone has stated the model forms have to be used as printed?
The requirement is to use forms based on the model forms.
Yes the model forms are designed with provision for one circuit.
That's because the requirement is to use one MEIWC for each circuit.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Because the requirement is to provide a MEIWC for each circuit altered.

Not aware that anyone has stated the model forms have to be used as printed?
The requirement is to use forms based on the model forms.
Yes the model forms are designed with provision for one circuit.
That's because the requirement is to use one MEIWC for each circuit.[/QUOTE

I understand what your saying but why would such Certs be produced by the likes of ELECSA etc if they don't comply?

 

[Silly Sausage]

Regulation 631.3
"Where minor electrical installation work does not include the provision of a new circuit, a Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate, based on the model given in Appendix 6, May be provided for each circuit altered or extended as an alternative to an Electrical Installation Certificate."

The word 'may' is a way of expressing possibility, which implies other ways are available. It's not a definitive order.

Don't you just love the English language?!?! :smilielol5: