How to legally work as self employed Electrician.

[mr_deep_]

Hi guys

I have been a qualified electrician for over 10 years working for others and now im trying to transision into to starting my own electrical installation / maintenance company. I'm a little confused as to what is required before I can legally work in other peoples properties.

I thought I needed

1. Registration with governing body
2. Liabilty insurance

I have been looking at becoming a member with the NiCEIC but the confusing part is they want to see my work to assess.

I dont understand How to do this if I need to be a member before I can work in other peoples property?

I imagine it's really simple but not sure the best route to take

Please can someone help me plan a route

Thanks in advance for any advice / guidance

 

[richy3333]

If you search there are numerous other thread about this.

Basically apply to scheme, do your jobs and certificate and then get the scheme to assess you. Once registered notify Building Control of works. At least that’s how I think you do it in Englan/Wales.

 

[mr_deep_]

If you search there are numerous other thread about this.

Basically apply to scheme, do your jobs and certificate and then get the scheme to assess you. Once registered notify Building Control of works. At least that’s how I think you do it in Englan/Wales.

Thanks for your input Richy

By scheme do you mean like NICEIC?

Is it legal to work if not a member of a scheme?

I will also check the forum for similar posts

 

[DPG]

Thanks for your input Richy

By scheme do you mean like NICEIC?

Is it legal to work if not a member of a scheme?

I will also check the forum for similar posts

It would be expensive if you are doing notifiable work.

 

[mr_deep_]

It would be expensive if you are doing notifiable work.

Im not too sure what you mean

I thought 90% is notifiable work these days?

I feel so disconnected and confused - Have been working maintenance roles for other companies for the past.

Such a different world from the installation side of things I first started with..

I'm just trying to put a road map together on how to start my own business but feel like I'm stuck in a loop on what to do..

Have looked on this forum but havnt found exactly what I'm looking for still

I feel like just getting my liability insurance and cracking on but this will come to bite me in the --- down the line I'm sure

 

[DPG]

I was just meaning that if you aren't in a scheme then it will be expensive if you are doing notifiable work.

 

[telectrix]

Im not too sure what you mean

I thought 90% is notifiable work these days?

I feel so disconnected and confused - Have been working maintenance roles for other companies for the past.

Such a different world from the installation side of things I first started with..

I'm just trying to put a road map together on how to start my own business but feel like I'm stuck in a loop on what to do..

Have looked on this forum but havnt found exactly what I'm looking for still

I feel like just getting my liability insurance and cracking on but this will come to bite me in the --- down the line I'm sure

notifiable work is basicaly :

1. new circuits

2.new CU

3. all work in a bathroom ( except like for like replacements )

full details by downloading part p from planning portal.

for above if not in niceic or other scam, you have to notify building control in advance and pay around £300,

if youse just starting out as self-employed, start with non-notifiable works, provide certificates, etc. contact a scam and find out the requirements. then you can do some notifiable jobs for inspection, join scam and notify via scam once joined.

however, some local aurthotities will accept your work if not in a scam, once you have provided them with your quals. depends what area you are working

 

[richy3333]

To comply with BS7671 and undertake electrical work you need to be qualified and competent to do so. Above this any work notifies me to building control you are best being with a scheme as it’s cheaper in the long run. This all assumes you are in England.

 

[mr_deep_]

notifiable work is basicaly :

1. new circuits

2.new CU

3. all work in a bathroom ( except like for like replacements )

full details by downloading part p from planning portal.

for above if not in niceic or other scam, you have to notify building control in advance and pay around £300,

if youse just starting out as self-employed, start with non-notifiable works, provide certificates, etc. contact a scam and find out the requirements. then you can do some notifiable jobs for inspection, join scam and notify via scam once joined.

however, some local aurthotities will accept your work if not in a scam, once you have provided them with your quals. depends what area you are working

This is really helpful - Thank you

So let me see if I got this right and also some clarification needed please

1. Learn how to spell electrician lol

1a. Do non notifiable work - You mentioned certification.. I have my 2391 - can I certify if I'm not a member of a scheme? Landlords ask me if I can certify and iv always turned them down thinking I have to be a member of the scams to do so.. (Periodic inspections etc.)

Other than certificates all I can think for non notifiable is minor works and like for like replacements...?

2. Do notifiable works once I have confirmed with scam what they require of me and pay building control before each contract.

3. Have Scam asses works and join to stop having to pay building control of notifiable works

Then I'm on my way...

Does that sound about right guys?
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To comply with BS7671 and undertake electrical work you need to be qualified and competent to do so. Above this any work notifies me to building control you are best being with a scheme as it’s cheaper in the long run. This all assumes you are in England.

Thanks Richy

Are you telling me I can certify my own work too? And this will be acceptable with building control, As long as I have notified them in advance?

Say for example I have a house rewire:

Now I'm Thinking as long as I have notified building control I can complete this contract and certify without having to be a member of a scheme?

 

[Zerax]

Now I'm Thinking as long as I have notified building control I can complete this contract and certify without having to be a member of a scheme?

If you're not a member of a scam... you'd need to notify building control before you start, then tell them when you've finished. They'll then send someone to inspect/test your work and fleece charge you about £400 (depends on which council it is).

If you're a scam member... do the work then notify via the scam.

The general opinion is that the only largest benefit of scam membership is the ability to notify via the scam.

I think I'm right in saying that there are many members of this most esteemed forum who are not scam members, choosing to save the fees by doing only non-notifiable work.

 

[mr_deep_]

If you're not a member of a scam... you'd need to notify building control before you start, then tell them when you've finished. They'll then send someone to inspect/test your work and fleece charge you about £400 (depends on which council it is).

If you're a scam member... do the work then notify via the scam.

The general opinion is that the only largest benefit of scam membership is the ability to notify via the scam.

I think I'm right in saying that there are many members of this most esteemed forum who are not scam members, choosing to save the fees by doing only non-notifiable work.

Thanks Zerax - My aim is to be doing notifiable works so I'm guessing I will have to bite the bullet / price in the fees until I join a scheme and have had my work assessed..

I didnt realise they would need to test the work - This will be more then from what I understand of my local authorities prices

 

[telectrix]

Thanks Zerax - My aim is to be doing notifiable works so I'm guessing I will have to bite the bullet / price in the fees until I join a scheme and have had my work assessed..

I didnt realise they would need to test the work - This will be more then from what I understand of my local authorities prices

start with non-notifiabe works. then, once you have applied to a scheme, do a couple of notifiable jobs for your initial scheme inspection, , then sort out the notification through them. no fees to LABC.

 

[mr_deep_]

start with non-notifiabe works. then, once you have applied to a scheme, do a couple of notifiable jobs for your initial scheme inspection, , then sort out the notification through them. no fees to LABC.

@telectrix does the below test sound about right and could you / anyone give me clarification on the testing side of things please

Step 1. Do non notifiable work - You mentioned certification.. I have my 2391 - can I certify if I'm not a member of a scheme? Landlords ask me if I can certify and iv always turned them down thinking I have to be a member of the scams to do so.. (Periodic inspections etc.) Other than certificates all I can think for non notifiable is minor works and like for like replacements...?

Step 2. Do notifiable works once I have confirmed with scam what they require of me and pay building control before each contract.

Step 3. Have Scam asses works and join to stop having to pay building control of notifiable works Then I'm on my way... Does that sound about right guys?

 

[telectrix]

you can certify all your work as long as you have the test gear and are competent to test/inspect/certify.

why pay BC when you can notify through your scheme once accepted?worry about notification once you have joined.

 

[mr_deep_]

why pay BC when you can notify through your scheme once accepted?worry about notification once you have joined.
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Sorry I didnt understand last paragraph
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why pay BC when you can notify through your scheme once accepted?worry about notification once you have joined.

Sorry I didnt understand last paragraph

I'm assuming scheme will want to inspect notifiable works but guess I need to speak to them before I make assumptions

If I can get on the scheme through showing non notifiable work - ten that would be ideal