I have not been paid, what shall I do

[James]

he might be trying to pull a fast one,
he might be genuinley concerned that he will pay the final bill and not get the required certification.

When I come across things like this, I usually provide a Draft certificate.
i.e. a cert with all the correct details on it, watermarked with DRAFT COPY and no signature.

maybe offer him that, and a signed copy will be provide on completion of payments outstanding?

 

[Risteard]

How do you send a link for this please.Not quite sure how I get an authorisation code?

Hopefully this helps:

ECS Check | Electrotechnical Certification Scheme

The Electrotechnical Certification Scheme (ECS) accredits the qualifications and experience of workers in the electrotechnical industry

www.ecscard.org.uk

 

[BLBelfast]

If you have been thrown off site before the job is complete, unless there is something fundamentally wrong with your workmanship, i would expect you to be able to invoice for all materials and all time on site at your standard hourley rate.

Note, this may be more than the price you quoted for the works in total.

Was labour only. Hes paid 80 percent of quoted price, minus what the EIC will cost and refusing to pay for the extras which we’re verbally agreed and obvious from drawings etc that have changed.

Not long out by myself I’ve learnt a valuable lesson in paperwork tbh. Have all emails and texts saved but pricing of extras I was too busy to sort but have invoiced him fair rates. Wondering if that would be looked at as in prices are well within market value.

 

[BLBelfast]

he might be trying to pull a fast one,
he might be genuinley concerned that he will pay the final bill and not get the required certification.

When I come across things like this, I usually provide a Draft certificate.
i.e. a cert with all the correct details on it, watermarked with DRAFT COPY and no signature.

maybe offer him that, and a signed copy will be provide on completion of payments outstanding?

The difficulty is there was no dialogue. Been happy all along. Asked to pay on Friday and said about he needs a cert by a qualified electrician? I told him I am in the process and we’ll qualified and he’s just said do not attend site and wants me to pay for a test. If he had have raised any concerns and paid the extras bill I’d have split the cost for an outside contractor to keep everyone happy.

Do you think I should reiterate I’m qualified and will provide a cert even in text form as he won’t speak to me and pretty sure he won’t want me in his property? Would that look like I’ve tried to resolve the issue. His other concern about me being qualified im thinking leave him thinking he is right while checking the NIC, and that as if it goes to small claims im covered and that will help the fact he’s completely barking up the wrong tree

 

[nicebutdim]

he might be trying to pull a fast one,
he might be genuinley concerned that he will pay the final bill and not get the required certification.

Reasonable people raise concerns, listen to responses and consider them.

 

[James]

I presume the original quote was for you to do the work and provide the EIC?

You are learning a valuable lesson here,
could you gather all the information together into a single document and send it to the customer for a response?

I.e.
I quoted 1000 for x
added to the work list on "date" was this and we agreed 100 would cover it
here is the final invoice for payment within 7 days.

he will not pay it, but the response should guide you in the way that you should deal with it.

 

[Risteard]

The difficulty is there was no dialogue. Been happy all along. Asked to pay on Friday and said about he needs a cert by a qualified electrician? I told him I am in the process and we’ll qualified and he’s just said do not attend site and wants me to pay for a test. If he had have raised any concerns and paid the extras bill I’d have split the cost for an outside contractor to keep everyone happy.

Do you think I should reiterate I’m qualified and will provide a cert even in text form as he won’t speak to me and pretty sure he won’t want me in his property? Would that look like I’ve tried to resolve the issue. His other concern about me being qualified im thinking leave him thinking he is right while checking the NIC, and that as if it goes to small claims im covered and that will help the fact he’s completely barking up the wrong tree

You could inform him that Electricians are required to certify works, as you will - and that there is no legal obligation to be registered with any particular body to do that, nor are there any legal obligations within the jurisdiction to be registered to carry out works.

 

[James]

You could inform him that Electricians are required to certify works, as you will - and that there is no legal obligation to be registered with any particular body to do that, nor are there any legal obligations within the jurisdiction to be registered to carry out works.

Fantastic, I presume that this is applicable to the part of Ireland that the OP is working in?

As i said much earlier, I am not sure of the requirements in NI but if the OP has the qualifications and registrations that are Legally required then push on for payment and not accept any deductions.

 

[Risteard]

Fantastic, I presume that this is applicable to the part of Ireland that the OP is working in?

As i said much earlier, I am not sure of the requirements in NI but if the OP has the qualifications and registrations that are Legally required then push on for payment and not accept any deductions.

Yes. It's different in the south where the whole area of Restricted Electrical Works and Controlled Electrical Works applies, but in the north there are no particular obligations unless client specified or specified by insurance companies etc. Essentially it's unregulated in the north.

 

[littlespark]

I take it the new spark is happy signing off other persons work??

You did the work, you sent the invoice. He hasn’t paid. He’s in the wrong.

 

[Risteard]

Just to contradict my earlier statement about the industry being unregulated in the north, I should point out that when it comes to public sector procurement there are Licence to Practice requirements.

 

[BLBelfast]

I presume the original quote was for you to do the work and provide the EIC?

You are learning a valuable lesson here,
could you gather all the information together into a single document and send it to the customer for a response?

I.e.
I quoted 1000 for x
added to the work list on "date" was this and we agreed 100 would cover it
here is the final invoice for payment within 7 days.

he will not pay it, but the response should guide you in the way that you should deal with it.

I’ve done basically that and his response was will wait to see what the outside electrical contractor says. Should I just leave it at that though he’s admitted he doesn’t know when the electrician will get out to “sign off”. He’s no intention of paying the extras

 

[Risteard]

I wouldn't leave it at that. Tell him that if he engages an outside contractor he will remain liable for all outstanding debts, and that interference with the electrical installation may have adverse effects on the warranty. Also the extras have been priced in line with ethical and fair practice principles and must therefore be paid in full.

If you really want to kick him then you can add that otherwise you shall be commencing legal proceedings.

 

[BLBelfast]

Really appreciate all the help. As it stands he is off the opinion I’m not qualified. I don’t think genuinely but simply to get out of paying. Should i send him proof of my qualifications and the fact I was in process of providing a certificate again as I’ve never actually sent him the proof as it came out of the blue and he didn’t ask. Just said he’s getting a qualified guy in. I repeatedly informed him a cert wouldn’t be issued. Or leave it for the small claims and just press ahead with that

 

[brianmoooore]

Speaking in general terms, and not insinuating anything about this particular case or the OP.
When a tradesman performs unsatisfactory work, you cannot employ someone to do remedial work, expecting the tradesman to pay, without first giving him the chance to do the remedials himself.