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I'm currently 31 year old out of work shuttering carpenter but have been wanting to move into the electrical game for a couple of years. The thing is this game seems harder to get into than Formula 1. I was just hoping someone could give me some advice. Do I ring round electrical firms asking for work/college apprenticeship? Do I go to a college like OLCIA or trade for skills? What's the first step to becoming an electrician NVQ? 2391? Or am I to old to change trades?

Any advice greatly appreciated.
 
Hi all. Have to agree with the comment about being multi-skilled. I've just done plumbing and bathrooms up until recently. Finally finished one of the dreaded '5 week' courses today with my 2391-10 Inspection and Testing exams. I think I've passed and when I do I've got a couple of jobs lined up already to hopefully get accredited. I'm certainly not expecting to be an expert in all things electrical from the off, but there's no doubt this will open up another income stream for me rather than passing the work on to someone else as I have to do currently.

Just need to wait 7 weeks for the certificate now and then I can get started.
 
Hi, it was a 5 week full-time course with a company called Steve Willis Training Ltd based in Portsmouth, Hampshire. They also have a centre in Surrey too. I don't mind saying I found it pretty tough, and that's with my engineering degree already under my belt. My view on it was that I didn't just want to be someone else doing a 5 day 'Part-P' course. If I am learning a new skill I like to learn as much as possible before starting to work on something, especially something that can kill me or others if I get it wrong!
 
surely sparks doing 5 week plumber courses is as bad as a plumber doing a 5 week spark course..multi skilled doesnt work,unless you spend a few more years learning other trades which would make you an engineer in the real term.
 
My background is in engineering and thus I would consider myself an engineer first and foremost. As I mentioned before I worked hard to get a BEng Hons in Mechanical Engineering. This covered a lot of electrical theory too in the course.

I've never suggested that I'm going to be an expert electrician from day 1, far from it in fact. I did the same thing (a 5 week course) prior to starting my plumbing business 3 years ago and now it's one of the most successful plumbing businesses in my home town (going from the rate I'm accumulating Checkatrade feedback compared to my rivals).

There's nothing 'bad' about doing a 5 week course, what is bad is expecting you will go out there and be an expert from day 1. Most people over about 21 now cannot get apprenticeships as the government's grants are all skewed towards employers taking on people who have just left school. Most people cannot afford to earn next to nothing for 4 years doing an apprenticeship when the alternative I've suggested, if approached with the right attitude, is more profitable.

You say 'multi skilled doesn't work' but my experience running my business over the last few years is that customers want someone who can do lots of things, rather than the stress of managing lots of trades themselves. My plan now is to continue plumbing and take on whatever electrical work comes in that I feel confident doing. This way I will build up experience in a controlled manner over the next few years. The main plus is I won't be paying someone else any more to do relatively straightforward jobs like putting in spotlights in bathrooms. I'm sure, like plumbing, the hardest part will be starting a job and finding existing problems/bodges but I'll learn as time goes on.

I've subcontracted to several electricians (and tradespeople generally) and I've been left feeling that I could do a better job myself to be honest. Some examples include: -

1.) Central heating wiring centre finished off with loose neutral wire, something I had to diagnose myself after the electrician had left.
2.) Temperature sensor for under-floor heating system not wired in prior to the floor being tiled, resulting in the floor having to be re-lifted and damage to the wiring that cost ÂŁ250 to repair. Guess who had to pay for this and go back to fix it? Not the electrician.
3.) ÂŁ800 to change a consumer unit and fit a contactor and a new circuit for what was a 1 day job.
4.) Huge delays in waiting for certificates to be issued and customers then chasing me for them.

I know that most electricians on here will be excellent, otherwise they wouldn't be spending there time on here reading up. My experience of the electricians who have sub-contracted to me has been quite the opposite though.

I do understand that these courses turn out a lot of monkeys due to their tendancy to pass everyone to make their stats look good. Do remember though that we're not all monkeys though. I can also understand that there will be resentment amongst some that spent 4 years doing an apprenticeship to get into the industry; The reality though is that these courses wouldn't be run if there wasn't a real demand for them. Shame there isn't quite the demand for tradesmen at the end but that's a subject for another thread I fear.
 
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Tis ok! I didn't want to do the 5 day one as I wanted to learn as much as I could about the theory side so that I would have a much better understanding of problems when I got out there.

Most of the stuff I'm reading on these forums is actually making sense to me now but I'm certainly going to be a regular on here to learn as much as I can.

Do I need to wait for my certificates to come through or is it just a case of speaking to a mod now?

Cheers!
 

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