In defence of the short course trainee

[Chrisuk]

I wanted others thoughts glenn, why they can go do it for 5 weeks and get work yet I'm told after years I can't yet we both are doing class and workshop!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I wanted others thoughts glenn, why they can go do it for 5 weeks and get work yet I'm told after years I can't yet we both are doing class and workshop!

well...the point i was making is you have been told that to become an electrician you need the lot...which just shows up these 5 week/17 day whatever course providers as the lying, scamming, cheating conmen that they are...doesn`t it...

i think you will get similar shrift from most of the others in here as well...

by the way...good on you for going down the proper, recognised route.....

takes time to do things rite but the foundations will be solid.....

at least you will be able to hold your head up high in this world...knowing that it will be unlikely that others will have to go around after you putting right some of the shoddy, slack arsed and downrite dangerous non-conformance crap that passes off as `install` by some of these charlatans/impostors...

 

[Chrisuk]

It seems crazy, i don't think my brain could squeeze the whole lot in within 5 weeks, far too much to learn

Thanks for your reply and thanks, im trying to do it the right way, surely it's the best way.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

It seems crazy, i don't think my brain could squeeze the whole lot in within 5 weeks, far too much to learn

Thanks for your reply and thanks, im trying to do it the right way, surely it's the best way.

oh..i wouldn`t worry about that too much..

anyone would think expectations were high in 17 day land....

intellect has few opportunities there...

 

[Engineer54]

I don't get these Electrical Trainee courses, I'm working my --- off at college and the class is reminded that even at the end of level 3 2365 we will NOT be sparkys, we must work in the real word along since a competent sparky and do NVQ 3 and do work that will stay up and not just on a 3'x4' piece of timber in the work shop, so why if I can't become a sparky after years, can someone go do a 5 week course which I assume is class and workshop, yet they get qualified!!I guess the 7k they paid must help!!! Am I missing something of after my level 3 could I get a job as a sparky??I'm thinking.....No?

Ah, but that's is where you are Wrong!! They have paid out all this money, and all they have to show for it, is a supplementary qualification (C&G 2382) and maybe a totally useless PAT testing qualification. They are certainly far from being considered even remotely qualified.
Far different from you when you have completed the full level 3 2365, especially if you can manage to complete the AM2 and NVQ Lv3 by finding a company to take you on in the final year....

Anyway, no need whatsoever to be jealous of the 17 day/Electrical Trainee's....

 

[Chrisuk]

Not too sure what to think about this, you say that they are not considered remotely qualified yet I keep reading about a lot of the Electrical Trainee are now taking a lot of the work, guess what I'm getting at is people must be employing them or they go self employed, and I won't lie I'm worried I could do my years and finish level 3 and not get into the industry because of my age I may find it hard to find an employer to give me that chance, yet seems the Electrical Trainee get into it after 5 weeks!!

 

[Engineer54]

Not too sure what to think about this, you say that they are not considered remotely qualified yet I keep reading about a lot of the Electrical Trainee are now taking a lot of the work, guess what I'm getting at is people must be employing them or they go self employed, and I won't lie I'm worried I could do my years and finish level 3 and not get into the industry because of my age I may find it hard to find an employer to give me that chance, yet seems the Electrical Trainee get into it after 5 weeks!!

Who the hell will employ a Electrical Trainee wannabe over a fully qualified electrician?? No -one, and why the vast majority of these 17 Day/electrical trainee's are self employed!! One thing is for sure, you'll not find any of these wannabe's on JIB/SJIB sites working as electricians

 

[Chrisuk]

This is again where I get slightly confused so apologises
If they decide to go self employed, since I know nothing about this please excuse if this is a daft question, when they advertise and get a call from joe public, don't customers ask to see a card that would show u are qualified ??
and if so how do they get one after 5 weeks??
and if not is it that the customer wants the cheapest??
Or do people just trust at face value if it's said John Electrical Trainee is qualified then he must be and must know what he's doing?

 

[UNG]

The 17 day / 5 week course appears to satisfy the requirements of scams oops sorry the parasitic schemes that make a chunk of money confirming that the 17 day / 5 week courses create a fully competent spark as you are finding out this is far from the truth.

It's good to hear that there are some people who will put in the time and effort to do the training properly and understand the limitations of the alternative and inferior training methods

 

[ipf]

This is again where I get slightly confused so apologises
If they decide to go self employed, since I know nothing about this please excuse if this is a daft question, when they advertise and get a call from joe public, don't customers ask to see a card that would show u are qualified ??
and if so how do they get one after 5 weeks??
and if not is it that the customer wants the cheapest??
Or do people just trust at face value if it's said John Electrical Trainee is qualified then he must be and must know what he's doing?

Ignorance is bliss....................especially when it's cheap.

 

[Knobhead]

Thread title “In defence of the 5 week wonder”

How the hell can any qualified tradesman defend the indefensible? It’s like sitting on a branch while sawing through it.

YOU in the domestic side have let the side down.
YOU let the schemes run the show.
YOU allowed the lowering of standards.

I’m ashamed of the trade I joined 40 years ago!

 

[guest119]

This is again where I get slightly confused so apologises
If they decide to go self employed, since I know nothing about this please excuse if this is a daft question, when they advertise and get a call from joe public, don't customers ask to see a card that would show u are qualified ??
and if so how do they get one after 5 weeks??
and if not is it that the customer wants the cheapest??
Or do people just trust at face value if it's said John Electrical Trainee is qualified then he must be and must know what he's doing?

That is why a lot of them end up on here asking the most basic of questions and take the huff when challenged.

Boydy

 

[GMES]

This is again where I get slightly confused so apologises
If they decide to go self employed, since I know nothing about this please excuse if this is a daft question, when they advertise and get a call from joe public, don't customers ask to see a card that would show u are qualified ??
and if so how do they get one after 5 weeks??
and if not is it that the customer wants the cheapest??
Or do people just trust at face value if it's said John Electrical Trainee is qualified then he must be and must know what he's doing?

I will give you an example Chris, I know a Electrical Trainee he paid £ 2500.00 for a 17 day course with elecsa and came out with a piece of paper saying that he was a qualified domestic installer, and then went self employed on the advice of elecsa. By is own admission he had not got a clue what he was doing on his own so he came with me for a week free of charge to try and pick up a few bits of advice, he was a lovely lad but he scared me to death as he had never worked with electricity prior to the 17 day course.
During the week he was with me he got a call from someone who saw is advertisement in the local rag and needed a small job doing, so off he went and within an hour he was on the phone asking for help. He explained to me down the phone that the job required him to move a light switch from one side of the door to the opposite side, but the way the previous spark had wired it it was to complicated for him ( those were his words ) I said I might struggle to try and explain down phone so without chance to stop him he turned round to HIS customer and said would they mind if I came round and showed him how to do the job. bearing in mind they are paying him as a supposed qualified spark, as you can imagine the customer went mad and when I arrived asked me to take over the job as they had lost confidence with him, and after looking at this extremely complex wiring system that he had told me about, it turned out to be a simple case of previous spark had used the switches to loop in and out as opposed to using the pendants. so as you can see these Electrical Trainee are totally out of their depth and shouldn't be allowed to advertise and trade as qualified electricians. 17 days is simply not enough time to educate someone and these schemes should be banned.

 

[snowhead]

when they advertise and get a call from joe public, don't customers ask to see a card that would show u are qualified ??

Or do people just trust at face value if it's said John Electrical Trainee is qualified then he must be and must know what he's doing?

There is no card that a customer could understand proving you are qualified to do the work they want.

Most customers don't even understand Corgi / Gassafe cards.

Customers seem to take most tradespersons, regardless of trade, on thier word that they can do the work competently.

Cowboy Builders and Rogue Traders on T.V would having nothing to do if all tradepersons could regulated.
Sadly it's impossible.

 

[Engineer54]

You only have to look at the threads in the Electricians Courses & Training and see the dross written by some of these self proclaimed so -called successful 17 Day whizz kids and electrical trainee's!! One guy reckons he is taking students on for work experience by the same company that he did his 5 Week course with. Don't suppose this idiot for a second, thought the same could have happened to him. What do they say, ...something about the blind leading the blind!! lol!!

You really need to read this post by ''Simonherts''....( he's only made 2 posts on the forum) It's a long post, basically telling everyone how clever he is and how successful he has become. Another classic within the same long post is '' I was wound up by the comment that the only reason I work for myself is because no-one else would have me. I don't think that's fair and it's a bit of a cheap shot.'' The guy is absolutely convinced he is now just as qualified as any electrician that's served his time!!

Another guy on the same thread reckons that time served sparks are fine with those taking the electrical trainee courses. They just seem to be convincing themselves of all sorts in this end of the forum!!